There are strengths and flaws to the way Marvel and DC are working their TV and movie properties, within episodes, within series, and across their shared universes. Threads for the individual shows and movies are a fine place to talk about the stuff within; here's where we can discuss the stuff between.MarvelMarvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)
Marvel's universe is fragmented, with X-Men,
and the Fantastic Four each in their own universe, separate from the main Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The MCU includes many characters and franchises, including:
- Iron Man
- The Hulk
- The Avengers
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Ant Man
- Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
- Jessica Jones
- Luke Cage
- Iron Fist
- The Defenders
- Doctor Strange
...and more to come.
The rights to Spider-Man have been adjusted so that he will be entering the MCU at some point.
The MCU is integrated across big screen and small, with pretty reasonable continuity and a centuries-long story arc wrapped around the Infinity Stones. Discontinuities of Note
Marvel's X-Men Universe (XMEN)
- Adamantium - the superstrongestmetalever - is restricted to the XMEN universe. This means that vibranium takes the place of adamantium in the MCU.
- The concept of Mutants is restricted to the XMEN universe, so the Inhumans take the place of Mutants in the MCU.
- Quicksilver appears in both the XMEN Universe and MCU. He's better in XMEN.
Fox owns the X-Men movie rights. This keeps them in a separate universe from the MCU, with a few strange crossovers (Quicksilver appears in both). The movies in the X-Men franchise are mostly internally consistent, but there's been time travel and such, so there's no guarantees. In particular, Deadpool is part of that universe and not the MCU, but will be a very different character than we were introduced to in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Which is a very good thing. Still played by Ryan Reynolds, which is also (IMHO) a good thing.DC Extended Universe (DCEU)
DC has fragmented their TV properties and set them in several separate continuities from their movies. On TV, four properties are part of the Arrowverse: Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Constantine. Supergirl does not appear to overlap with the Arrowverse, but may be part of the Flashverse with it's many alternate Earths (I made that term up). Superman and Metropolis do not appear in the Arrowverse. Man of Steel
was the first movie in the shared DCEU. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
will build on that foundation. Apparently there will be about a dozen more movies out past 2020 (noted below), but they have nothing to do with past movies or the TV properties.The Arrowverse (Arrowverse)
With four TV shows set in the same universe, DC has decided to use ideas from the Flashpoint storyline to create a multiverse, with many Earths for heroes and villains to exist within - and hop between. Between this and time travel (introduced in a big way in Legends of Tomorrow) the 'continuity' of the DCEU really doesn't matter. There are lots of crossover episodes each season, tying the characters and events together, which is fun, but don't expect to have anything make sense. Just enjoy.All The Shows
The table below has all the existing and coming properties for the four universes noted above, with linked threads where they exist. We also have a Comic book movies and shows: rate, recommend, discuss, get your fanboy/girl
thread. (Table source is sheet2, red cell at the bottom right.)See the latest listing in its own post.
* Most of this movie takes place long before anything except the Thor intros.
** Agent Carter, like CA:TFA is pre-most everything else.
*** It is not clear exactly when Daredevil fits in the MCU continuity; headlines indicate it is late 2014, perhaps running up to the calendar day it was released - but it could be as late as September 2015.
Added link to DCTVU:LOT
Added link to DCSU:BVS, DCSU:SS, MCU:Deadpool
2015-11-20 Added Jessica Jones
2015-11-21 Link to new Wonder Woman thread.
2015-11-2? Link to new Supergirl thread.
2015-12-01 Link to new Superman / Man of Steel thread.
2016-01-17 Updated order of shows in MCU. Added season numbers to Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Agent Carter. Added date for Deadpool. Separated MCU into years. Categorized DC / Marvel sections.
2016-01-22 List updated to table format, with XMEN and Arrowverse added / separated from MCU and DCEU. Opening text also updated.
2016-03-13 List moved to it's own post. Table too big for here.