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Offline CapSponge

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« on: August 17, 2007, 02:53:12 PM »
Scott Adams is a funny guy, but his fallacies suck.  See Here.

NO HOLDS BARRED CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE FALLACIES

The point of the game is to demonstrate your superior reasoning skills through identifying the fallacies present in another person's statement, and to generate a fallacious statement of your own to challenge your lesser peers.

RULES OF THE GAME

1. I will start off with a statement containing logical fallacy.
2.  A person will identify the fallacy in the statement preferably with an explanation.
3.  The person who identified the fallacy will submit a statement containing a fallacy for others to guess at.
4.  And on, and on, ad nauseum...



EXAMPLE

Person 1:
I am right because my father told me so.

Person 2:
That is an argument from authority.  Your father has nothing to do with the truth of your statement.

I am right because I am smarter than you.  I must be smarter than you, because I am right.

Person 3:
That is circular reasoning, a tautology.  The two statements affirm one another, regardless of the truth of either or both statements.

You must agree with me because I have been wrong so many times in the past that being wrong again will tear me apart.



Etcetera...


So I'll start!

You're either with us, or you're against us!
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 02:55:05 PM »
Poisoning the well.

Do we wait for confirmation that we got it, or just go?[/img]
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 02:55:27 PM »
Gah.  It's a false dichotomy.  My bad.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 03:06:01 PM »
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Do we wait for confirmation that we got it, or just go?


Confirmation will probably take too long and bog down the game.  Probably best to post one when you're sure you got it right, and then bicker about it later.

EDIT:  Yea; it's a false dichotomy.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 03:09:31 PM »
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Confirmation will probably take too long and bog down the game.


Argument from final consequences.

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Probably best to post one when you're sure you got it right, and then bicker about it later.


Argument from ignorance.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 03:10:03 PM »
OK, here's mine:

Fire is hot.  Therefore, Shakira is fire.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 03:14:07 PM »
I think you forgot to say that "Shakira is hot, therefore Shakira is fire".

That would be a verbal fallacy (equivocation)
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 03:15:07 PM »
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OK, here's mine:

Fire is hot.  Therefore, Shakira is fire.


equivocation + unstated major premise (being that Shakira is hot)

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 03:16:40 PM »
Yeah I was going to say: Unless you meant for that to be an implied statement.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 03:18:29 PM »
You're missing a crucial one.  Though equivocation is part of it.  And the unstated major premise can go either way.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 03:22:40 PM »
non-sequitur?
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 03:24:30 PM »
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non-sequitur?


They're all non-sequiturs.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 03:25:35 PM »
LIFE is a fucking non-sequitur!!!

I'm going to say it's a false analogy based on a low redefinition.

Shakira is hot.  Fire is hot.  Therefore Shakira is fire.  It does not follow that the "hot" for shakira is the same "hot" for fire, making the compairson faulty.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 03:26:12 PM »
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LIFE is a fucking non-sequitur!!!

I'm going to say it's a false analogy based on a low redefinition.

Shakira is hot.  Fire is hot.  Therefore Shakira is fire.  It does not follow that the "hot" for shakira is the same "hot" for fire.


Still missing something very obvious.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 03:28:39 PM »
Oh, jeez.  It's affirming the consequent.
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