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Are you a humanist, in the sense of what the international humanist movement promotes?

Yes
22 (62.9%)
No
9 (25.7%)
Other
4 (11.4%)

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Offline arthwollipot

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Re: Are you a humanist (read the OP before you vote)?
« Reply #135 on: May 03, 2016, 08:35:54 PM »
Maybe humanism could be a good complement to skepticism. Humanism includes ethical values, which skepticism doesn't have much of in and of itself.

Yes.

But humanists are very religion-focused, as if religion is the only form of unreason. This is somewhat off-turning.

This has not been my experience. To me, you are describing atheists more than you are describing humanists - specifically that sub-set of atheists who are antitheists.

And they really, really need to stop claiming the non-religious demographic in general as humanists.

Yes. You are a humanist if you identify as a humanist, and your personal philosophy broadly agrees with humanistic principles. There are nonreligious people who are not humanists.
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Re: Are you a humanist (read the OP before you vote)?
« Reply #136 on: June 09, 2016, 07:08:15 PM »
I'm so sorry I forgot this thread!

But humanists are very religion-focused, as if religion is the only form of unreason. This is somewhat off-turning.

This has not been my experience. To me, you are describing atheists more than you are describing humanists - specifically that sub-set of atheists who are antitheists.

Uhm, have you read any humanist books or followed them on Facebook? In addition, you can run across humanists who believe in woowoo.

And they really, really need to stop claiming the non-religious demographic in general as humanists.

Yes. You are a humanist if you identify as a humanist, and your personal philosophy broadly agrees with humanistic principles. There are nonreligious people who are not humanists.

Exactly. I'm generally opposed to groups claiming to represent entire demographics, so this is not directed only at humanists. Groups represent their own members.
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Re: Are you a humanist (read the OP before you vote)?
« Reply #137 on: June 09, 2016, 07:34:15 PM »
I'm so sorry I forgot this thread!
It is kind of easier to follow a conversation when there isn't a gap of weeks between questions.  ;)

But humanists are very religion-focused, as if religion is the only form of unreason. This is somewhat off-turning.

This has not been my experience. To me, you are describing atheists more than you are describing humanists - specifically that sub-set of atheists who are antitheists.

Uhm, have you read any humanist books or followed them on Facebook? In addition, you can run across humanists who believe in woowoo.
Yeah, but I tend to lose interest in them pretty fast. I agree with their broad principles, I disagree with some of their details, there's room in the world for all types.

And they really, really need to stop claiming the non-religious demographic in general as humanists.

Yes. You are a humanist if you identify as a humanist, and your personal philosophy broadly agrees with humanistic principles. There are nonreligious people who are not humanists.

Exactly. I'm generally opposed to groups claiming to represent entire demographics, so this is not directed only at humanists. Groups represent their own members.
Indeed, and it doesn't require membership of a group to agree with and identify with broad philosophical principles.
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Re: Are you a humanist (read the OP before you vote)?
« Reply #138 on: June 17, 2016, 03:18:38 PM »
I'm so sorry I forgot this thread!
It is kind of easier to follow a conversation when there isn't a gap of weeks between questions.  ;)

Sure yeah I know. :-[

But humanists are very religion-focused, as if religion is the only form of unreason. This is somewhat off-turning.

This has not been my experience. To me, you are describing atheists more than you are describing humanists - specifically that sub-set of atheists who are antitheists.

Uhm, have you read any humanist books or followed them on Facebook? In addition, you can run across humanists who believe in woowoo.
Yeah, but I tend to lose interest in them pretty fast. I agree with their broad principles, I disagree with some of their details, there's room in the world for all types.

I see. I agree with some of their stuff, but not others. And I wish they wouldn't do certain things they tend to do. Would that make me a humanist or not?

I'm somewhat frustrated that humanists (including yourself) seem unwilling to make a positive case for humanism on the basis that they are against proselytizing. By contrast, self-identified skeptics and atheists tend to be very happy in making their cases.

It would be amusing to hear the SGU discuss humanism some time, though I'm not aware of them doing it except for episode 10. A skeptic's look at it, so to speak. ;) At least Steve occasionally makes references to what he calls skepticism's sister movements, humanism and atheism.

And they really, really need to stop claiming the non-religious demographic in general as humanists.

Yes. You are a humanist if you identify as a humanist, and your personal philosophy broadly agrees with humanistic principles. There are nonreligious people who are not humanists.

Exactly. I'm generally opposed to groups claiming to represent entire demographics, so this is not directed only at humanists. Groups represent their own members.
Indeed, and it doesn't require membership of a group to agree with and identify with broad philosophical principles.

Absolutely, and humanists seem to agree (especially as they are prone to claiming the non-religious demographic as their own).

I identified as a skeptic before I signed up and joined the Swedish Skeptics Association, for example.
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Re: Are you a humanist (read the OP before you vote)?
« Reply #139 on: June 18, 2016, 08:00:35 PM »
I'm somewhat frustrated that humanists (including yourself) seem unwilling to make a positive case for humanism on the basis that they are against proselytizing. By contrast, self-identified skeptics and atheists tend to be very happy in making their cases.
I'm mostly against proselytising because of my history with evangelical Christianity. The constant drive to "witness" was the main disagreement I had with them. It just felt creepy and wrong. So I try to never proselytise, especially in areas of religion and philosophy.

Except occasionally when it's fun because I know the audience quite well. :) I would never go up to a stranger and start trying to get them to convert to humanism. That'd be weird.
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