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CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« on: April 28, 2016, 12:25:44 PM »
I was having fun in CarlSagan's thread. Why did it have to be killed?

Yeah, I know "...not soooo open that your brain falls out" and "productive environment" and all...
I just wish the forum mods were more open to a bit of silliness, and that we as a forum were more welcoming. I think we can handle the few nutters that come our way...



ETA:  http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,46599.html
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 11:16:08 AM by Henning »
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 12:27:29 PM »
Is it a giant burden to monitor the thread because it's so active and could go nuclear at any moment?? Could you not move it to Personal and then not worry about it so much? 
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 12:29:15 PM »
Tolerating a few means tolerating a shitload though, once thwy figure out the line to walk and it becomes more murky as to when people are actually sick of them.
I really prefer not to have their shit popping up as a new thing for me to read, I come here to get away from that stuff.
Better to just have well thought out rules and smart people enforcing them. As we do.

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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 12:35:34 PM »
When someone is clearly having some kind of episode as a result of a mental condition, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by prolonging the copy-pasta, the inevitable rants and the snide jokes from spectators. We did not see that as 'a bit of silliness'. We've judged that this forum is not equipped to give this person the help they so obviously need, and that in this case, we can't stretch our consciences to letting people point and giggle.

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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 01:04:49 PM »
Well, then, I wish the snide jokes and rants were not so inevitable here.
Did you send him off with a note to the effect of, "we hope you get help"?
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 01:06:52 PM »
When someone is clearly having some kind of episode as a result of a mental condition, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by prolonging the copy-pasta, the inevitable rants and the snide jokes from spectators. We did not see that as 'a bit of silliness'. We've judged that this forum is not equipped to give this person the help they so obviously need, and that in this case, we can't stretch our consciences to letting people point and giggle.

Space Elves, Holocaust deniers and Mormons are still welcome - up to a point.

Space Elves!  Man....I haven't heard that one in a long time. 

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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2016, 01:09:33 PM »
Well, then, I wish the snide jokes and rants were not so inevitable here.

I think there were a lot of jokes (I made one) early on, when we thought it might itself be a joke.  Then after the third post it sunk in that he was being for real.  People engaging though wouldn't really be very helpful, well maybe it would, maybe snide jokes might have been helpful or hurtful.  The point is that with somebody who has such a delusion you're playing with fire and we could have done some real harm, even without meaning to.  The mods made the right call here, even though I don't think that we would have reacted with malice or continued with mockery once knowing the nature of the situation.

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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2016, 01:40:13 PM »
My problem with that guy was that it looked like his main purpose was to post a bunch of links and unrelated stuff just to get some Google search ratings. Admittedly, I might have missed some things, seeing how I tl;dr'ed the whole thing; I notice that people are taking it seriously.

Otherwise I found it just too incoherent to provide entertainement, and because of the length I pretty much skipped over the whole thing. If others enjoy it, I figure just moving it to personal would have been fine.
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2016, 02:41:22 PM »
Well, then, I wish the snide jokes and rants were not so inevitable here.
Did you send him off with a note to the effect of, "we hope you get help"?

The rants would probably have been his (although I don't completely discount the other possibility). We did advise him to seek professional help, but the lack of any illusion that it'll accomplish anything is part of the reason why we decided to bar him from the forum. Besides, there was very little chance of him actually engaging with anyone beyond vomiting copy pasta.

My problem with that guy was that it looked like his main purpose was to post a bunch of links and unrelated stuff just to get some Google search ratings.

That could very well be the case. Spammers like that end up getting banned as well, so it would all have worked out the same in the end.

The point is that with somebody who has such a delusion you're playing with fire and we could have done some real harm, even without meaning to.

I strongly doubt that some comments on a forum is going to leave any lasting impression on a guy (I presume) who holds lengthy discussions with himself in YouTube comment sections, but yeah, we'd rather stay far from that kind of thing. That's why our 'I'm going to kill myself!' policy is what it is. Here's the number for the National Suicide Hotline, please take off that noose - and there's the door.
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2016, 02:45:48 PM »
When someone is clearly having some kind of episode as a result of a mental condition, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by prolonging the copy-pasta, the inevitable rants and the snide jokes from spectators. We did not see that as 'a bit of silliness'. We've judged that this forum is not equipped to give this person the help they so obviously need, and that in this case, we can't stretch our consciences to letting people point and giggle.

Space Elves, Holocaust deniers and Mormons are still welcome - up to a point.
That is a good policy.
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 05:00:20 AM »
I tried looking for him, and the thread you're referring to and didn't find anything. Has it all been removed? All his posts? So now I can't even go back and look at what it was you're talking about? I can't see what it was and form an opinion of my own?

I can't say I like that much. Can someone  give me a brief summary of what the content was? What were his issues? Why were they considered so heinous that all record of him had to be expunged?
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2016, 09:43:59 AM »
I tried looking for him, and the thread you're referring to and didn't find anything. Has it all been removed? All his posts? So now I can't even go back and look at what it was you're talking about? I can't see what it was and form an opinion of my own?

I can't say I like that much. Can someone  give me a brief summary of what the content was? What were his issues? Why were they considered so heinous that all record of him had to be expunged?

Based on the post just below yours, would you like to retract the accusatory tone in this post?
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2016, 10:19:27 AM »
Seriously.  That is not something we would do.
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Re: CarlSagan dismissed. What's the harm?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2016, 11:00:33 AM »
Yipes. Yeah, sorry Bel, AQ....Just made a bit of an ass of myself.

I couldn't find him on the member list, which in retrospect is what you'd expect when someone's been dismissed, and jumped to a rather extreme conclusion. Sorry.

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