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Episode #590
« on: October 29, 2016, 12:07:40 PM »
Forgotten Superheroes of Science: David Young; News Items: Alien Signals, Patient Zero, Expanding Universe, Mars Probe Crash; Who’s That Noisy; Name That Logical Fallacy; Science or Fiction
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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2016, 03:05:30 PM »
Halloween candy works it poison over the years.  Obesity, dental caries and T2D. 
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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2016, 03:15:40 PM »
You know if kids had Halloween Candy just once a year that would be fine. It's the steady diet of high carb sweets, desserts, breads, starches, pasta, and other simple, fast hi GI foods every day that causes childhood obesity and T2 diabetes.


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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2016, 04:55:11 PM »
During Name That Logical Fallacy, I swear Steven Novella's voice and phrasing began to sound a bit like Carl Sagan. With some dedicated practice...

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2016, 07:02:21 PM »
Last weeks 'Who's that Noisy' is the song 'Money, Money, Money', not 'It's a Rich Mans World'.

I am perplexed that anyone found it surprising that a record can be played using the plastic money. I was doing the same thing 40 years ago with a normal piece of paper.
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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2016, 07:33:36 PM »
Name that logical fallacy segment:
I think the listener's friend is actually begging the question.  Since we didn't get the details, I can't be certain, which means I'll have to speculate a little.  But it sounded to me like the sort of move the friend was trying to make is begging the question for whatever it was s/he was ultimately trying to argue for.  We know that s/he wasn't simply arguing that being a rule or law is sufficient for being fair or just, because s/he wouldn't accept that the death penalty was "on the same level", so to speak, as whatever rule or law that s/he was referring to.  So there was some rule or law of interest, and it was likely intended to be playing a role in some set of premises for some conclusion.  The combination of, (i) claiming that being a rule or law is sufficient for fairness or justice, and (ii) claiming there is some inherent difference between the death penalty and what s/he is referring to that makes them incomparable, is a move that sounds to me like it would only make sense under some assumption or set of assumptions that is already (probably theoretically) connected in some way to whatever her/his conclusion is.  Begging the question is kind of like trying to get a free ride to the conclusion without anyone noticing you didn't actually pay the fare. 

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2016, 07:50:53 PM »
Glad to see more "name that logical fallacy". I can't get enough. My take is the friend is moving the goal posts. It's the old: I make a claim, you prove me wrong, I exclude the conditions you cited. Lather, rinse, repeat.

BTW, I only give out organic, non-GMO, high fiber, high-fructos-corn-syrup-free, nutritional snacks. Scares the dickens out of the little buggers.

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 12:41:24 AM »
Last weeks 'Who's that Noisy' is the song 'Money, Money, Money', not 'It's a Rich Mans World'.

A typical mistake people make with music titles. Confusing a line from the chorus for the name of the song.


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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 01:00:09 AM »
The logical fallacy is Lawful Neutral. Which is my favourite alignment to play in D&D, but it's not very effective in the real world.

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 02:13:20 AM »
You know if kids had Halloween Candy just once a year that would be fine. It's the steady diet of high carb sweets, desserts, breads, starches, pasta, and other simple, fast hi GI foods every day that causes childhood obesity and T2 diabetes.


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Every day is halloween for most kids.
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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2016, 04:00:38 AM »
I didn't know Halloween in the UK was big enough for 50% of households to opt-out of it.

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The rest of the name as Jay read it was pretty spot on.
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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2016, 10:18:45 AM »
You know if kids had Halloween Candy just once a year that would be fine. It's the steady diet of high carb sweets, desserts, breads, starches, pasta, and other simple, fast hi GI foods every day that causes childhood obesity and T2 diabetes.


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Every day is halloween for most kids.
It was for me and my mates! Every day we would all go to the corner shop by our school and get assorted bags of penny sweets and sherbert thingies and cans of fanta or lilt. In the summer it was icecream/icelollies every day and bottles of Lucozade.
That was on top of sandwiches for lunch and bags of crisps in the evening and coco pops for breakfast!

At least at halloween we actually ate some nuts and bobbed for apples.

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2016, 12:17:26 PM »
Its nice that you can get a decent quote out of Terry Goodking, but be careful.  The truth he speaks of is "The Truth" with a capital "T".  Specifically Goodkind's TRUTH is that of Randian Objectivism.  But rereading that quote with the idea that the speaker is not speaking of empirical scientific truth, but of philosophical nigh religious Truths makes that quote much more creepy, IMO. 

The quote goes on:

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2016, 12:40:31 PM »
I didn't know Halloween in the UK was big enough for 50% of households to opt-out of it.

I've heard this a lot, I guess its not popular in England but it was always big in Glasgow and it's huge these days, especially with adults like was mentioned on the podcast.

Also we had to say a joke, sing a song, perform a trick or similar before getting sweets, which fits with the celtic roots. I'm 31 so it was a while back and it's a bit more 'trick or treat' American style now I guess. We would say, 'the sky is blue, the grass is green, have you anything for my Halloween? ' then do whatever trick, you normally get invited in the house too.

I know my mum still loves getting kids round and she makes them do a performance of some kind still :)

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Re: Episode #590
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2016, 12:52:14 PM »
You know if kids had Halloween Candy just once a year that would be fine. It's the steady diet of high carb sweets, desserts, breads, starches, pasta, and other simple, fast hi GI foods every day that causes childhood obesity and T2 diabetes.


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... and a third of this people you mention are now obese, insulin resistant  and often diabetic.

Every day is halloween for most kids.
It was for me and my mates! Every day we would all go to the corner shop by our school and get assorted bags of penny sweets and sherbert thingies and cans of fanta or lilt. In the summer it was icecream/icelollies every day and bottles of Lucozade.
That was on top of sandwiches for lunch and bags of crisps in the evening and coco pops for breakfast!

At least at halloween we actually ate some nuts and bobbed for apples.
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