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Should Charles Manson Be Offered Euthanasia?

Yes - It's the humane thing to do
20 (90.9%)
No - Life means until natural death.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 10:31:09 PM »
A question with lethal injection. . . .Why don't they just do something like ten times the lethal dose of morphine? Isn't it completely painless? Why this "cocktail?"
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 08:42:32 AM »
A question with lethal injection. . . .Why don't they just do something like ten times the lethal dose of morphine? Isn't it completely painless? Why this "cocktail?"

Don't you get really sick before it hits you? Seems to me I read about heroine addicts getting really sick after injecting, and before the effects hit. Lethal injection, if done right (and in practice, they don't always get it right; sometimes they fuck it up) first puts you to sleep, just like when they put you under anesthesia for surgery, and then stops your breathing.

... Or a football helmet filled with C4 in the middle of an open field.  Why do we have to beat around the bush?  It would be quick, painless, and I've always wished for my remains to be scavenged by critters. ...

Probably something about germs and having all that rotting flesh lying about spreading disease.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 08:52:39 AM »
... Or a football helmet filled with C4 in the middle of an open field.  Why do we have to beat around the bush?  It would be quick, painless, and I've always wished for my remains to be scavenged by critters. ...

Probably something about germs and having all that rotting flesh lying about spreading disease.

Make it a big field.  Cordon off a big plot in Nevada, give the condemned a suicide vest and a button and let them loose.  I mean, when I think of how I'd want to be executed, if it came to it, I can't think of anything I'd much prefer over that.

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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2017, 11:25:05 AM »
Don't you get really sick before it hits you? Seems to me I read about heroine addicts getting really sick after injecting, and before the effects hit. Lethal injection, if done right (and in practice, they don't always get it right; sometimes they fuck it up) first puts you to sleep, just like when they put you under anesthesia for surgery, and then stops your breathing.

No, lethal injection, even as designed, might be incredibly painful, but done in a way that nobody can tell.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1876425/
In fact, individuals undergoing execution have continued to breathe after the injection of thiopental, and their hearts have continued to beat following injection of potassium; in these cases, the authors conclude, it is quite likely that those being executed have experienced asphyxiation while conscious and unable to move, and possibly an intense burning pain throughout the body from the potassium injection.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2017, 11:28:14 AM »
Yeah, lethal injection is arguably more inhumane than other forms of execution like hanging or the firing squad. It's really pretty nasty when you look at it.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2017, 11:30:56 AM »
Heard someone point out on maybe a podcast that this could be a good sign for 2017. 2016 basically started with David Bowie dying, 2017 is starting with Charles Manson on his way out.

At the end of this year:

"Little did we know, Charles Manson was what we needed."

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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2017, 03:43:42 PM »
Don't you get really sick before it hits you? Seems to me I read about heroine addicts getting really sick after injecting, and before the effects hit. Lethal injection, if done right (and in practice, they don't always get it right; sometimes they fuck it up) first puts you to sleep, just like when they put you under anesthesia for surgery, and then stops your breathing.

No, lethal injection, even as designed, might be incredibly painful, but done in a way that nobody can tell.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1876425/
In fact, individuals undergoing execution have continued to breathe after the injection of thiopental, and their hearts have continued to beat following injection of potassium; in these cases, the authors conclude, it is quite likely that those being executed have experienced asphyxiation while conscious and unable to move, and possibly an intense burning pain throughout the body from the potassium injection.

Thanks for that information. FWIW, I have opposed the death penalty for as long as I can remember. You've given me an additional reason to be additionally opposed to this particular method, in addition to being opposed to execution across the board. (Though I support the right of any person who so chooses to be euthanized.)
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2017, 07:58:12 PM »
Fuck it lets just bring back Crucifixions.

I am just kidding that would be a horrible way to go. Unless that is the way you want to go... horribly.


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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2017, 10:28:54 PM »
Fuck it lets just bring back Crucifixions.

I am just kidding that would be a horrible way to go. Unless that is the way you want to go... horribly.

Some people seem to have a fetish for it  ???
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2017, 08:19:57 AM »
If you're going to whack someone, or you want to end your own life, the guillotine might be the quickest and most painless. Of course, I don't know how long the brain remains aware after the head's been chopped off.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 05:40:30 PM »
I'd go for the inert gas asphyxiation. I don't know how foolproof that is, but guillotines can fail, and being partially guillotined has to be horrific.

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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2017, 06:24:01 PM »
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But the mass murderer, with at least seven killings to his credit, is likely pleased with himself for the ride he has taken the state on by living to the ripe age of 82. To cover his extended stay in prison, California has paid double the amount that it would have cost to execute Manson after his conviction. And his memory will always be with us: His picture -- often smiling if not glaring -- still stalks us from crime magazines on the supermarket shelf.

I always think when I hear financial arguments about capital punishment vs life without parole (mostly from anti capital punishment groups), that they don't really have actual numbers.  Maybe for the trial phases they do, but not for the prison terms. 

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That means the state’s taxpayers may soon finally stop paying to keep him alive -- a tab that has easily already exceeded $2 million. Of course, owing to the amorphous nature of the actual costs of incarcerating a single prisoner, the total expense California has incurred for Manson may never be accurately tallied.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2017, 06:59:33 PM »
The actual two better reasons are
1. Should we be executing people as a state
2. There are way too many cases where there is at least a chance the defendant is innocent and even a number where the evidence seems to show that the defended was/is innocent.
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Re: Charles Manson Moribund
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2017, 07:11:44 PM »
The actual two better reasons are
1. Should we be executing people as a state
2. There are way too many cases where there is at least a chance the defendant is innocent and even a number where the evidence seems to show that the defended was/is innocent.

That is my biggest reasons for not having a death penalty.
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