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Offline AnnCoulterSucks

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« on: Jun 15, 2006, 04:04:27 AM »
I saw the phrase “…many people who believe in God…” in an article somewhere and it just stuck in my craw!  This is not to disparage the writer of that particular article, because I’ve seen similar faulty thinking in many an atheist-penned article. If we are truly atheists, we should reject the convention of capitalizing the word “god” when it is used to refer to the Judeo-Christian god.  On the face of it, I realize this just sounds harsh and spiteful, but there is an entirely virtuous rationale for “de-capitalizing” god when it doesn’t occur at the beginning of a sentence, or for some equally syntactically appropriate reason.
The word “god” comprises the entire gamut of supernatural beings, both popular and passé and from every age and every culture.  It’s only truly rational use is as a generic term that can refer to all present incarnations of a super-being, whether it be Allah or Vishnu or the one that the Jews and Christians sometimes refer to as Yahweh. To capitalize the word “god” when referring specifically to Yahweh is to bestow an inordinate and undeserved honorific on Judeo-Christian mythology; one that marginalizes all other contemporary, god-based mythologies.  Not very fair to the other religions, is it?
In recognition of this, I am adopting a personal editorial position.  Hereafter, I will no longer capitalize the word “god” in my writings (excepting those situations noted above).  I will refer to the “concept of a god” and, where it is necessary, I will refer to specific sectarian gods by their mythological name.  In the case of the Judeo-Christian god – Yahweh.  And by this posting, I’m encouraging other atheists to promote the same syntactical philosophy.  If it becomes accepted convention, we will have been successful in at least putting the word in its proper perspective, if not the concept.

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 15, 2006, 08:39:01 AM »
Personally, I prefer to use the phrase: "...many people who believe in gods..." so as not to discriminate against those who believe in more than one.

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« Reply #2 on: Jun 15, 2006, 08:49:03 AM »
I call them all "faithies".

Actually, I don't, but I think I might start.  Be a trendsetter, like David Bowie.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 15, 2006, 11:57:30 AM »
I say we shall call them deities.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 15, 2006, 12:34:22 PM »
With respect I must disagree. God, when it refers to Yahweh, is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized. Just like, for instance, when I say death I mean a ceasation of life in some entity while when I say Death I mean a talk guy...sort of, ah, skinny, TALKS LIKE THIS.[1]

Respect has nothing to do with it -- it's just a matter of ortography. It would be like claiming Germans are showing great respect to a, say, table when they write 'der Tisch' -- they aren't it's just that in German all nouns are capitalized.

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 15, 2006, 12:57:30 PM »
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With respect I must disagree. God, when it refers to Yahweh, is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized. Just like, for instance, when I say death I mean a ceasation of life in some entity while when I say Death I mean a talk guy...sort of, ah, skinny, TALKS LIKE THIS.[1]

Respect has nothing to do with it -- it's just a matter of ortography. It would be like claiming Germans are showing great respect to a, say, table when they write 'der Tisch' -- they aren't it's just that in German all nouns are capitalized.

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I think that is the point, we shouldn't give Yahweh as a proper name the generic term for god as it becomes a defacto validation of their beliefs. If you are refering to the Judeo-Christian god refer to him as Yahewh, If you are refering to the Muslum god refer to him as Allah. If you are refering to god in a generic sense, as I almost always am, just use god. Every time I talk about the idea of god, people always think I am refering to their god Yahweh, so by haveing it as "god" helps eliminate the confusion. I agree that if god was a proper noun it should be capitalized but the proper noun is Yahweh. God has only turned into a proper noun in culture as a way of validating Yahweh as the one true god of Judeo-Christians,
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 15, 2006, 02:36:13 PM »
I think Veljko's point is spot on.

One of the other things that I see Atheists doing that I can't stand is replacing the name Christ with X.  X-Mass is bad enough, but xians instead of Christians?  That's just plain silly, and quite frankly it smacks of nothing more than an F.U. to Christians which if it was, would be down right dirty.

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 15, 2006, 02:53:51 PM »
I don't get why they had to change his name from Yahweh. It's like naming you dog Dog or your baby Baby. It is confusing.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 15, 2006, 03:04:23 PM »
I had a dog named Puppy.  true story.
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 15, 2006, 03:52:49 PM »
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With respect I must disagree. God, when it refers to Yahweh, is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized.


You've missed the point entirely, Veljko.  I am asserting that the word "god" should no longer be used in a literal sense to refer to Yahweh.  It's disrespectful to every other religion to use the generic term "god", in its capitalized form, to refer specifically to Yahweh.

I can understand why it's a hard concept to grasp for most Christians in America, though.  We're all brain-washed from birth to show a special deference to the Judeo-Christian god.  I've never heard anyone argue that "In God We Trust" refers to Allah or that "one nation, under god" means "under Vishnu."  No, I think it's perfectly rational to reserve the word "god" as a generic term for all mythological, super-human entities and only capitalize the actual names of each mythological character.  After all, we don't write "the Greek and Roman Gods", we write "the Greek and Roman gods."  If we need to refer to one in particular, say Zeus, we capitalize only the name of the god.

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« Reply #10 on: Jun 15, 2006, 03:54:22 PM »
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With respect I must disagree. God, when it refers to Yahweh, is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized.


You've missed the point entirely, Veljko.  I am asserting that the word "god" should no longer be used in a literal sense to refer to Yahweh.  It's disrespectful to every other religion to use the generic term "god", in its capitalized form, to refer specifically to Yahweh.

I can understand why it's a hard concept to grasp for most Christians in America, though.  We're all brain-washed from birth to show a special deference to the Judeo-Christian god.  I've never heard anyone argue that "In God We Trust" refers to Allah or that "one nation, under god" means "under Vishnu."  No, I think it's perfectly rational to reserve the word "god" as a generic term for all mythological, super-human entities and only capitalize the actual names of each mythological character.  After all, we don't write "the Greek and Roman Gods", we write "the Greek and Roman gods."  If we need to refer to one in particular, say Zeus, we capitalize only the name of the god.

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« Reply #11 on: Jun 15, 2006, 04:00:51 PM »
You know, saying it once was enough. :)

I now better understand you point, however as I understand it Yahweh isn't really (g|G)od's name. I always understood that it functions something like this:

"The Christian god is God while the Muslim god is Allah."

I realize that it's a bit ambigous but languages are like that. True, a lot of confusion could have been avoided by giving (g|G)od (the Christian one, obviously) a proper name but here we are.
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 15, 2006, 06:53:38 PM »
There is no god is god is the way I spell it.

As for Xmas, that has been used way before I was a child. It was just used to shorten Chirstmas, not to take any Christ out of it like the paranoid christians like to think (not think is more like it). It just made it easy for signs, like Xmas trees for sale.

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« Reply #13 on: Jun 15, 2006, 07:23:36 PM »
The X thing in Xmas isn't really the letter x; it's there to represent the Greek letter chi which has been used to represent Christ for, well, quite a while.

So I am afraid it's not an artifact of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy (tm).
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 15, 2006, 07:27:18 PM »
Quote from: "Paulhoff"
As for Xmas, that has been used way before I was a child. It was just used to shorten Chirstmas, not to take any Christ out of it like the paranoid christians like to think (not think is more like it). It just made it easy for signs, like Xmas trees for sale.
So what about spelling it xians instead of Christians?

So, following the logic in this thread so far ... our sun should be called Sol only, and not the Sun, because it might somehow make our sun seem like it's more important than another sun, yes?  :wink:  

So why didn't you capitalize "christians"?  Since all religion is essentially made up, why wouldn't you use the same rules you would if you were talking about a made up religion in a fantasy book?
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