Topic: Crank vs Crank: HIV conspiracy theorist vs HIV Denialist:

[Chris Noble]

April 2, 2008 - David Crowe and Boyd Graves Debate HIV on Toronto's CKLN Radio

[Havermayer]

This is the fucking most hilarious thing ever.  They're absolutely trashing each other in a really immature way.  Awesome.

David Crowe was that Aids Denier dentist from the Infidel guy show right?

[Chris Noble]

This is the fucking most hilarious thing ever.  They're absolutely trashing each other in a really immature way.  Awesome.

David Crowe was that Aids Denier dentist from the Infidel guy show right?

No, that was Leonard Horowitz. Horowitz belongs to the HIV = biological warfare genus  (Boyd Graves) and believes that HIV was deliberately engineered as part of a conspiracy to wipe out Blacks and Gays.

See the HIV crank field guide

David Crowe is in the HIV Denial genus. The HIV denialist genus can be divided into the HIV exists but doesn't cause AIDS species (Peter Duesberg) and HIV does not exist species (Perth Group). Crowe appears to belong to the HIV does not exist species.

Crowe is closely related to the Germ Theory Denialists who deny that poliovirus causes polio.

The Infectious Myth

[Chris Noble]

Come on. I'm a bit disappointed with the 4:1 vote for HIV Denialism.

How can you guys argue with government documents?

The Smoking Gun of AIDS: a 1971 Flowchart

[btthegeek]

How do you pick which one is the douche and which is the turd?

[TurboCramb]

oooooo, this is juicy!  I've still got 45 minutes left, I hear that this is when it gets good too :-D

[Chris Noble]

oooooo, this is juicy!  I've still got 45 minutes left, I hear that this is when it gets good too :-D

Unfortunately the HIV conspiracy freak hangs up(gets disconnected or is assinated by men in black) about 20 miutes in. The rest is more boring apart from some of the wacky ideas from Crowe that virologists since the 1930's just invent viruses and everybody except for a few germ theory deniers just blindly follow them.

How do you pick which one is the douche and which is the turd?

I think it is more accurately seen as a douche/turd duality. They are just different aspects of the same phenomenon. HIV Conspiracy and HIV Denial are really one and the same thing.

[TurboCramb]

oooooo, this is juicy!  I've still got 45 minutes left, I hear that this is when it gets good too :-D

Unfortunately the HIV conspiracy freak hangs up(gets disconnected or is assinated by men in black) about 20 miutes in.

Yeah, I figured that out about 2-3 minutes after i posted this.  Oh well, at least the beginning was good.

[Chris Noble]

oooooo, this is juicy!  I've still got 45 minutes left, I hear that this is when it gets good too :-D

Unfortunately the HIV conspiracy freak hangs up(gets disconnected or is assinated by men in black) about 20 miutes in.

Yeah, I figured that out about 2-3 minutes after i posted this.  Oh well, at least the beginning was good.

It's a pity it was on radio rather than tv. Perhaps if enough people email Boyd Graves and tell him how well he did in the debate then maybe they'll have a rematch on a tv show. Perhaps Oprah isn't beyond this.

I can picture Boyd Graves holding up a large printout of the Timeline and David Crowe with a copy of Koch's postulates! One guy misrepresenting government documents and the other scientific papers.