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Title: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Redamare on March 11, 2017, 08:25:04 AM
Sometimes, being someone with a penchant for self consciousness, self doubt, and even self hate, when I log in and see no response to my posts, I become paranoid that I have said something wrong and gotten myself shadowbanned.

That is to say, banning a poster in such a way that the website treats them like normal except no one but them can see their posts.

Do we have a policy never to do this? If so, it would be one less thing for me to be irrational and paranoid about. Thanks!
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: The Latinist on March 11, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
I don't know about a policy, but I don't think we have the technical capability to do this if that helps ease your mind.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Redamare on March 11, 2017, 12:39:09 PM
I'll take it.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: AQB24712 on March 11, 2017, 12:41:37 PM
I don't know about a policy, but I don't think we have the technical capability to do this if that helps ease your mind.

I think I speak for everyone in the mod cave when I say we a) would have no good reason to do such a thing, and b) couldn't be arsed.  Speaking for myself, I've never heard of this tactic and I think it sounds mean! 

Rest easy, Redamare.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Redamare on March 11, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
Yeah I think so, too. Thanks.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Harry Black on March 12, 2017, 06:35:27 AM
I do know the feeling you are talking about and it does feel shit.
I guess sometimes I just havent made the point I thought I did or someone gets locked in to a particular exchange and wants to focus on that.

Sometimes it may just be a case that a particular post looks like a box nobody really feels like opening if they dont have to?
I know that if I feel there are too many premises that need to be accepted between my view and another persons view then I generally wont bother as the point will get lost on one of those hurdles.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Caffiene on March 12, 2017, 06:54:58 AM
Ironically until Harry posted to confirm he read your post you could have been shadowbanned so that only admins/mods could see your posts :P
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Louie on March 12, 2017, 10:27:06 AM
We have a number of options for bans. We can either ban you from the forum completely or just suspend your posting privileges (like we often do for suspensions). We can also take away your ability to register a new account (by IP address) or prevent you from logging in.

In all of these cases you're notified. 'Shadow bans' aren't in the forum rules, so yes, you can say that the lack of a policy about using them counts as a policy not to use them. I'm also pretty sure that posting announcements of all bans and suspensions in the FAR sub-forum is stated policy.

Rest assured that there is absolutely no reason for us to ban anyone in a surreptitious way, even disregarding the fact that doing so would make us sneaky bastards who abuse their powers.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: teethering on March 12, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
I think Johnny Slick has been shadowbanned since 1983.  Ironically it's not by this forum, but by everything else.  We're the only people who know he exists :( :( :(
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 12, 2017, 10:31:16 AM
If nobody responds to this post with the words "koala kumquat cookie dough" then teethering is correct and I truly have been shadowbanned since the early days of the Internet. :(
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: The Latinist on March 12, 2017, 02:37:51 PM
I can actually see a use for such a technique with someone like Awesome220 who won't accept their ban. Trolls who are ignored really do tend to go away, in the end. And, I must confess that, although it may show a character flaw, I would fine it amusing to watch him shouting into the void.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on March 12, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
I think Johnny Slick has been shadowbanned since 1983.  Ironically it's not by this forum, but by everything else.  We're the only people who know he exists :( :( :(
settle down M Night.  >:D
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: 2397 on March 12, 2017, 03:43:54 PM
I can actually see a use for such a technique with someone like Awesome220 who won't accept their ban. Trolls who are ignored really do tend to go away, in the end. And, I must confess that, although it may show a character flaw, I would fine it amusing to watch him shouting into the void.

But then you wouldn't see it.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: The Latinist on March 12, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
I can actually see a use for such a technique with someone like Awesome220 who won't accept their ban. Trolls who are ignored really do tend to go away, in the end. And, I must confess that, although it may show a character flaw, I would fine it amusing to watch him shouting into the void.

But then you wouldn't see it.

Ahem.  Tech admin, here. ;-)
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: estockly on March 12, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Individual users are able to ignore whoever* they want, and if enough users ignore you that could have the same effect.

*Not sure if that applies to moderators. If you set it to ignore a mod that's just asking for trouble.


Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 12, 2017, 04:35:58 PM
If nobody responds to this post with the words "koala kumquat cookie dough" then teethering is correct and I truly have been shadowbanned since the early days of the Internet. :(

This reminds me of a plot that ran on SOAP for a while - Bert realized that he would sometimes be invisible because no one noticed him, then he learned to control his invisibility with a series of finger snaps.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Louie on March 12, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
Individual users are able to ignore whoever* they want, and if enough users ignore you that could have the same effect.

*Not sure if that applies to moderators. If you set it to ignore a mod that's just asking for trouble.

I don't think you can ignore a mod. Technically, I mean. Purely as an effort of willpower it's very doable. For a short while.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 12, 2017, 08:18:54 PM
If nobody responds to this post with the words "koala kumquat cookie dough" then teethering is correct and I truly have been shadowbanned since the early days of the Internet. :(

This reminds me of a plot that ran on SOAP for a while - Bert realized that he would sometimes be invisible because no one noticed him, then he learned to control his invisibility with a series of finger snaps.
NOBODY CAN SEE THIS BUT I JUST LIKED THIS POST
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Eternally Learning on March 12, 2017, 08:23:06 PM
This post doesn't look like anything to me.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: estockly on March 12, 2017, 08:54:00 PM
Individual users are able to ignore whoever* they want, and if enough users ignore you that could have the same effect.

*Not sure if that applies to moderators. If you set it to ignore a mod that's just asking for trouble.

I don't think you can ignore a mod. Technically, I mean. Purely as an effort of willpower it's very doable. For a short while.

well, no offense Louie, but you're now on my ignore list, just to see if it's even possible

Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Louie on March 13, 2017, 01:51:42 PM
That's a fair experiment! Is it?
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: God on March 13, 2017, 01:52:20 PM
Checking the admin account as well.
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: PANTS! on March 13, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
If nobody responds to this post with the words   then teethering is correct and I truly have been shadowbanned since the early days of the Internet. :(
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: estockly on March 13, 2017, 02:12:49 PM
So I got the "You are ignoring this user.  Show me the post." blurb where your post was. This is what hitting "quote" gave me:

That's a fair experiment! Is it?

Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Louie on March 13, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
So it can be done. Blimey.

Still, doesn't matter all that much in the end, as ignoring us will just elicit warnings.

Cheers for clearing that up!
Title: Re: Policy on shadowbanning?
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 13, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
If nobody responds to this post with the words   then teethering is correct and I truly have been shadowbanned since the early days of the Internet. :(
oh no :(