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Offline a3maniac

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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2007, 03:55:37 AM »
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The whole thing about it being available only on iTunes is that most foreigners aren't able to purchase it using their credit cards, so there's no way I could pay for the download, even if I wanted to.

Does iTunes prevent certain countries from using their credit cards? I've never had a problem from Oz...


Yes, it does. There are only a number of countries you can purchase iTunes store stuff from.

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I'm sure you could use a Brazilian (or any other nationality) credit card to buy an iTunes gift certificate.


You still need a credit card with a vaild USA billing address to purchase one.
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2007, 10:48:11 PM »
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Ask people to send a Paypal payment of $1.99 to a given address. When the payment has been received, the person gets a link to the url to download the MP3. It's not a feed, but it gives people easy access to the file. The downside is that, unless you can somehow automate it, it will require the human legwork to approve all the payments.


I want to hear the interviews, and will gladly pay for them, but something like this sounds too complicated for me.  (it's not that I can't do it, I'm just way too lazy to do it)

Just let me pay for it and download it all at once, and I'll be happy!

Looking forward to hearing more!
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2007, 01:17:20 AM »
Vertie has a good point.  The "lazy factor" is quite a serious and genuine consideration when doing this kind of thing.

If you want something to fly in the marketplace, convenience beats price any day of the week.
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2007, 02:29:04 AM »
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Vertie has a good point.  The "lazy factor" is quite a serious and genuine consideration when doing this kind of thing.

If you want something to fly in the marketplace, convenience beats price any day of the week.

It's something that any software engineer needs to consider really seriously whenever design any kind of interface. People generally just want to do what they enjoy, and are simply not curious and/or interested enough to get to a feature if it's inconvenient. I certainly feel this way. Even though I could probably work through/around a difficult interface... why should I bother?

As IRON MAN says, whatever the SGU come up with, the less effort the better. That probably makes iTunes a good choice (except for those non-Apple listeners out there) or audible.com. I still think that Podiobooks.com is worth a quick look.
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2007, 01:05:53 PM »
I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.

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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2007, 02:41:03 PM »
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I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.

My usual reaction to such an abrupt demand would involve expletives, but what the hell.

The process you're describing would have to be manually managed. This would be an administrative nightmare for the SGU team, who would effectively have to handle each individual PayPal payment by sending a specialised reply. If there was a single MP3, it might work, but the assumption is there are going to be multiple MP3s released over time.

From a user's point of view, I have to make a PayPal money transfer to a designated e-mail address for each MP3, or presumably collection of MP3s, that I want to get. Since they'll be released incrementally (my assumption based on what's been said so far), I'd have to do this each time. There'd then be a delay waiting for the SGU team to process my request, and send the link to me by return e-mail. As you say, downloading it at that point is indeed trivial. Of course, then I have to manually add each such MP3 into whatever software I use to synchronise with my device (for the majority of users who do that).

While it is obviously possible to automate the back end (thus reducing the administrative overhead), it would be non-trivial to set up. Some investment would be required, and an ongoing maintenance commitment and server/support cost. The impression I get from Steve and Jay is that they want an off-the-shelf delivery and payment system that requires little time on their part. I (for one) would prefer the SGU team focussed on producing content for the podcast, rather than having spend effort or money re-inventing the e-commerce wheel.
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2007, 03:37:28 PM »
Do it like other retail-y sites do it.  Have a PoS system and let folks order the stuff straight off the site.

The other way could be to go porn-y and have a members section with a recurring fee.

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2007, 03:47:37 PM »
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The other way could be to go porn-y and have a members section with a recurring fee.

Interesting idea: SGU paid subscribers could get access to all premium content. It's just require maintaining the membership list and putting such content in a secure area.

While I'm not usually a fan of subscription models, it's definitely worth considering.
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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2007, 04:04:48 PM »
and ... skeptical porn!

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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2007, 04:50:37 PM »
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I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.


Like Jason said so eloquently, there's more to it than that.  I have a "system" in place here at home.  iTunes has my info.  I click. I get my dealie.  Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!

Don't disrupt my system... :P

Although I could go for a "member only" pay site.
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« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2007, 05:04:09 PM »
The members only site sounds like the best idea to me so far.  I've never actually bought anything on iTunes, and I was not aware that the content would only be playable in iTunes or on an iPod.

The members only site would really be great for other types of downloadable content or for members only events and stuff like that.
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2007, 05:42:07 PM »
You can play iTunes media on Winamp or Quicktime as long as you are on an authorized computer, iTunes would have to be installed to authorize the computer of course.

I use iTunes to get some Teevee shows that I might have missed during the week, but I will not use iTunes to watch said show because iTunes is a memory whore and I will not tolerate its choppy performance so I use Winamp.

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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2007, 05:45:57 PM »
I've never bought anything on iTunes, does this restriction only apply to "bought" content?  Because everything I've downloaded from iTunes so far, I've been able to play in my Sansa MP3 player.
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« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2007, 06:18:05 PM »
AFAIK DRM is only applied to paid materials from iTunes.

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« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2007, 06:21:58 PM »
Damn, and I thought I was special for some reason.  So apart from being a resource hog, iTunes also limits the content strictly to their own product?  Apple just went down a notch in my book.
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