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ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« on: January 30, 2010, 11:09:04 AM »
I'm sure you are aware of the www.1023.org.uk and others campaign against Homeopathy today.

Personally I took a full packet of Boots 30c Sulphur Tablets and wasn't impressed much....I didn't smell like rotten eggs more than usual (!)....

But seriously.......the packaging on these tablets tells you how much Boots thinks of the real potency of these things.... They don't even tell you WHAT ailments they are supposed to help with!!!! I've hated homeopathy from afar for a while now without ever really looking at anything other than a homeopathic arnica gel pump dispensing thinga-m-jig.

On the labels of the packets it just says harnessing the power of homeopathic ingredients (or words to that effect)......

ITS SUGAR!!!!

I'd love to hear your tales from todays demo / campaign?

Mine was....I was the only person at my Boots in the biggest shopping centre around for a long way - Meadowhall Shopping Centre in Sheffield and after letting the people in boots know what they were selling without getting too stroppy, I walked around outside boots making a little demo of my own - popping these pills, but because I was only one man making a noise I knew I would have to shout it out louder to my friends, to pass on the message etc....Its having an effect though....


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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 11:48:44 AM »
Leeds Skeptics in the Pub joined forces with the Leeds guys! You can check out the photos over here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/xmeltrut/sets/72157623312821842/

I've also taken some, I just need to upload them from my memory card.


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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 12:27:55 PM »
Poor misguided souls. Such a tragedy. We will miss these people. How many died?
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 12:32:15 PM »
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 12:36:43 PM »
Love the comment on the video noting that they are mixing medications by taking the remedy with water.
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 03:09:53 PM »
I didn't know about this until about half an hour ago.  I think it's brilliant.
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 04:49:54 PM »
Really? It's a shame....it's been reported widely in the UK press.

According to reports there were fellow Skeptical Australians, Americans and other people doing this at 10:23 this morning to support...

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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 04:53:37 PM »
I've noticed that the manufacturer for Boots Homeopathic pills have a product update.....

For PARRRRTY PEEEEOPLE!!!!!

You can make sure you don't get as many bruises as usual when falling down drunk with their pills.....WOW!

See the link......
http://www.nelsonsnaturalworld.com/en-gb/uk/about-nelsons/media-centre/news-release-archive/2009/dec/arnicare-arnica-party-prangs/

I guess the Hangover cure re-hydrates you with diluted ...WATER!
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 10:25:57 PM »
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According to reports there were fellow Skeptical Australians
Yep! There were about 15 of us at Perth Skeptics that attempted suicide by homeopathy. I ingested 25 pills for muscle soreness recommended at 1 every half hour for 4 hours and then none for 8 hours. I don't have any sore muscles so it must have worked! right?  ;)

Oh and they tasted surprisingly yummy. Just like those candy necklaces you get.

EDIT: The head of Perth Skeptics (Kylie Sturgess) just uploaded our event video :P

10:23 Event with the Perth Skeptics
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 09:49:42 AM »
The evidence found at the scene of my non-demise.....


This what it says on the Bottle

Boots Sulphur 30c

The 30c Homeopathic potency of Sulphur
84 sucrose/lactose pillules

then how to use...

Dosage - Adults and children 2 pillules every two hours for the first six doses, thereafter take dose four times daily for upto five days or until symptoms improve. If symptoms worsen or persist consult a doctor.

Then below it says

A Homeopathic medicinal product without approved therapeutic indications.


My biggest surprise as with the company that actually makes them is they don't even make a claim or tell you WHAT they are supposed to help you with.

You don't sell aspirin without saying they are for pain, you don't sell ankle supports without saying what they are for......(some people WOULD eat them, you know they would!)

All in all I think that the campaign has been a big success not only from the media coverage but by showing the newer skeptics like myself exactly HOW bad the state of this type of thing is....

Any more feedback on this would be of a great benefit and hopefully there will be more of these events to highlight the huge problem that quackery has. Media savvy skepticism is the way forward!
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 05:11:44 PM »
Almost no coverage, and no emulation here in FR.

But significant result in NZ:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1001/S00073.htm

 Homeopaths Admit Expensive Concoctions Just Water
Sunday, 31 January 2010, 3:39 pm
Press Release: Skeptics

Homeopaths Admit Expensive Concoctions Just Water

A public mass overdose of homeopathic remedies has forced the New Zealand Council of Homeopaths to admit openly that their products do not contain any "material substances". Council spokeswoman Mary Glaisyer admitted publicly that "there´s not one molecule of the original substance remaining" in the diluted remedies that form the basis of this multi-million-dollar industry.

The NZ Skeptics, in conjunction with 10:23, Skeptics in the Pub and other groups nationally and around the world, held the mass overdose in Christchurch on Saturday to highlight the fact that homeopathic products are simply very expensive water drops or sugar/lactose pills. A further aim was to question the ethical issues of pharmacies, in particular, stocking and promoting sham products and services.

"You´re paying $10 for a teaspoon of water that even the homeopaths say has no material substance in it," says Skeptics Chair Vicki Hyde. "Yet a recent survey showed that 94% of New Zealanders using homeopathic products aren´t aware of this basic fact - their homeopath or health professional hasn´t disclosed this. The customers believe they are paying for the substances listed on the box, but those were only in the water once upon a time before the massive dilution process began - along with everything else that the water once had in it -- the chlorine, the beer, the urine...."

Hyde notes that one of the homeopathic products downed by the 40 or so people in the mass overdose had a label saying it contained chamomilia, humulus lupulus, ignatia, kali brom, nux vomica and zinc val. But those substances were actually in homeopathic dilutions, meaning that the kali brom, for example, was present in a proportion comparable to 1 pinch of sugar in the Atlantic Ocean - that is, not actually present at all.

"People don´t know that they are paying through the nose for just water - they believe the label implies there are active ingredients in there, just like you´d expect from a reputable health product. And you have to ask, at what point does it shift from being an issue of informed consent to become an issue of fraud?"

The UK-based 10:23 campaign is concerned about the ethical issue of pharmacies - touted as "the health professional you see most often" - supporting these products and giving them a spurious and unwarranted credibility.

"Does this mean pharmacists don't know that homeopathic products are just water, or they do know and don't care because people will buy it not realising the massive mark-up? Either way, that should be a big concern for the health consumer. Here´s a huge industry with virtually no regulatory oversight or consumer protection or come- back, and even its keen customers aren´t aware of the highly dubious practices involved."

The alternative health industry has built a multi-million-dollar business exploiting the natural healing powers of the human body, as many conditions will get better within two to three days regardless of whether conventional or alternative treatments are used, or even if nothing is done at all. Independent testing has shown that homeopathic preparations take full advantage of this and homeopaths quickly take the credit for any improvement in their clients.

The Christchurch "overdose" included an "underdose" - homeopaths believe that the more dilute things are, the more potent they become, so the skeptics were careful to try that approach. There are also claims by product manufacturers that, in fact, dosage doesn´t matter at all - whether you take 1 pill or 100 - but the important thing is the frequency of dosage, and the skeptics covered that base too. No ill effects were reported, apart from a distinct drop in the level of cash in various wallets. For the demonstration, Hyde reluctantly purchased two small boxes of tablets and a 25ml spray from a Unichem pharmacy, costing $51.95.

"That´s a lot to pay for less than 2 tablespoons of water and not much more than that in lactose milk sugar."

Homeopaths claim all sorts of amazing results, from treating the 1918 influenza to AIDS. More dangerously, at least one New Zealand pharmacy has been known to push homeopathic water labelled as "vaccines" for meningitis and Hepatitis B. Perhaps not surprisingly, the most supportive test results are those which come out of the homeopathic industry, product manufacturers and other vested interests. Any completely independent evaluation, such as the highly respected Cochrane Collaboration, tends to find the results much more underwhelming, citing no convincing evidence in many claimed areas of effectiveness.

"We´d recommend that if your local pharmacy stocks homeopathic products, take your business somewhere more ethical."

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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 07:22:55 PM »
Wow! That is amazing! Way to go NZ!



Poor misguided souls. Such a tragedy. We will miss these people. How many died?

the number is uncountable! Oh...that means 0! someone up on high must have been looking out for us....
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 03:31:13 PM »



Results are starting to happen....

Boots have taken certain sections of its website down on homeopathy....


http://networkedblogs.com/p26561697

Below in a copy but please visit the website to find out more if you are unaware of the good work being done by the MSS.



Last week, on the 26th January 2010, the Merseyside Skeptics Society sent a detailed and lengthy complaint to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority detailing a litany of what we believe to be irregularities regarding the language used to promote and describe the homeopathic offerings available from Boots through its online store and more generally in the information surrounding homeopathy that Boots supplies to its consumers and others. The letter to the MHRA sets out the many points of concern that we feel are serious enough to warrant complaint, of which some are:

5 specific, detailed complaints regarding the description and marketing language used for particular products available on the Boots website which we feel are in contravention of the UK National Rules Scheme and The Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994.
10 stated objections to the description of homeopathy and homeopathic remedies in the treatment of specific conditions, potentially contravening The Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994.
10 further complaints with regard to the claims made for homeopathic remedies generally.
A complaint in the manner in which supposedly medicinal products are being marketed and sold, potentially contravening The Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994.
While the complaint procedure is still underway, we’d prefer not to go into specific details – we do, however, acknowledge that since making the complaint Boots have withdrawn sections of the website relating to specific items of the complaint (action taking by Boots at 10am on Feb 1st, 2010).

More details to follow shortly…
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Re: ANTI HOMEOPATHY "1023" CAMPAIGN - How did it go for you?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 03:35:24 PM »
I'd love to get a group of people together to do this here in Alaska, but I do not relish the idea of paying hundreds of dollars for homeopathic pills to do it.

 

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