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Offline llamaFaceKillah

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First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« on: September 19, 2010, 01:25:52 PM »
I came accross the website http://theuniversalmatrix.com/en-us/ The Universal Matrix of Natural Systems and Vital Cycles

I found it very interesting; however do not have the scientific knowledge to neither credit nor discredit any of the sites explanations.

The reason why I'm posting this is to get criticism, both good or bad on the science behind the sites theories and logic.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 01:47:58 PM »
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 02:27:45 PM »
...Have you found ANY Scientific sources he has linked to or has published on the site?

I have searched and have found nothing other than his (very poorly done) drawings and explanations of his drawings.

I do have an interest in all of the cycles that happen within the universe (be it Astronomical, biological, ext... But this does seem to be just a bunch of "gobbledygook".

Thanks :)

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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 06:14:07 PM »
Panspermia is something which I have considered quite a bit.
The problem is that we have no evidence for or against.
We do have at least a good star on a possible Earth origin of life.
If we find life on Mars and it has a similar structure then it will be time to revisit the issue.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 06:37:08 PM »
No doubt. But that yahoo ain't gonna be the one finding it.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 06:54:47 PM »
From what I understand, certain of our proteins are wrapped a certain way which can easily be wrapped the other way. This proteins though, when wrapped the other way, cause damage when consumed (Mad Cow)

Could alien life be toxic to us?
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 03:02:46 AM »
Likely not, I'm guessing, as it'll be so unrelated as to have little ability to actually interact with us.  Even if we were seeded by life from Mars (or vice-versa), that was 4.5 billion years ago.  Things change.

The protein structure thing you're referring to is homochirality- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homochirality


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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 03:22:51 AM »
Wooo.
All these diagrams of natural phenomena have roughly the same shape... (BECAUSE I DREW THEM THAT WAY!!)  :D
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2010, 08:10:02 AM »
Hi, LlamaFaceKillah

I am Louis Morelli, the advocate of that world vision and thanks by the interest. First of all, excuse me by the poor English; although I am living between New York and Amazon Jungle, English is not my native language. But I think what matter are honesty and the will for changing informations, and if we want, we will have tolerance for to clear the misunderstanding due language barriers.

You said: “I found it very interesting; however do not have the scientific knowledge to neither credit nor discredit any of the sites explanations.”

There are no “scientific knowledge” about the sites explanations. If you make a detailed analysis you will see that there are only theories.
I am just now trying to read two books and making a comparative analysis: Stephen Hawking’s “The Great Design” and Johan Pring’s “The Physics Delusion”. Thesis and anti-thesis between two physicists. It is very elucidative about what is theory and what is proved fact.

You said: “The reason why I'm posting this is to get criticism, both good or bad on the science behind the sites theories and logic.”

I think the logic behind the theories are irrefutable. For instance:
1)   The first biological system appeared at Earth surface was a system, with genetic code and genetic reproduction. Then, the creator of this system must be a less evolved system (maybe a proto-system), with a less evolved genetic code and applying a less evolved genetic reproduction. If the first biological system was made from a primordial soup, the creator system must be there. The theory suggests a model of the creator proto-system, how was the proto-genetic code and how it was at the primordial soup;
2)   There was no origin of life. There was no origin of Universe. I never see origin of anything. Everything is effect from natural causes ruled by evolution, from the simplest to most complexity. Then we need to search the properties of life at our natural ancestors, like atoms systems, astronomic systems, etc. The theories suggests models of these ancestors with such properties;
3)   A good theory for us – naturalistic philosophers - need to show natural and factual known parameters for every step before going to the next step. Modern biological and astronomical theories elected by scientific academia does not respect this postulate from formal logic. The Matrix/DNA Theory does.
And so on… Cheers,…
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2010, 01:51:00 PM »
Ahh armature physicists.....
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 01:49:24 AM »
It doesn't include Time Cube theory, so I can't take it seriously.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 02:50:38 AM »
In your opening page, which is linked to, you claim;

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DNA is material structure and an unknown command of instructions, and computer is software plus hardware - the process of universal evolution is composed of hardware and software that interact among themselves retroactively;

This is a bad analogy. If I had to use it, I would say DNA is the software, and the proteins that read it are the hardware. A better analogy would be the DNA is the blueprint to our body.

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Darwin and The Matrix/DNA Theory agreed with the idea of Evolution and with the suggestion that there was a primitive common block which would have brought forth life on Earth. But Darwin thought LUCA as a microscopic stump and could never imagine that LUCA is astronomical, formed by the seven shapes of astronomical bodies! This picture is the Face of LUCA. This discovery enhances the idea of evolution by adding four more variables observed in LUCA upon the Darwinian formula with only three variables (VSI - Variation, Selection, and Inheritance), fulfilling the gaps and explanations in the biological and cosmological evolution, and suggesting the existence of an Intelligence Supreme beyond the borders of this universe.

So you are filling the gaps with god? Sounds like you are giving up to me. Sounds like, a god of the gaps. I hope you don't convince anyone out there with real talent, to not explore the subject any further.

Have you ever watched smoke from a cigarette? That is partical interaction, thats happening billions of times a second, in say, a drop of water. Things are getting sloshed around, collided together, knoted, twisted, ripped apart, literaly every movement possible. Now if there are already simple organics, like those found throughout our solar system, would it not be possible to create more complex organics? Why draw the line there? Something will find a way to reproduce, the interactions are so random, that you basically cover all the possibilities of current particle interaction, over an extended amount of time. If it is possible, it's going to happen. When it happends, it is the only thing to matter, everything else is innert matter, waiting to be fed apon, by the most complex interaction of particles available.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2010, 01:10:42 PM »
Hi, Unlimited, thanks by the helpful comments.

You said: “So you are filling the gaps with god?”

Matrix: “I never said the word “god”. You are saying it. No, the gaps are not filled with god but with variables coming from LUCA as a closed thermodynamic system: entropy, fragmentation, chaos, mutation due new state of matter, order, super-specialism, entropy, fragmentation… Universal evolution is about the evolution of a unique system that appeared at the Big Bang. The biological organization of matter and its evolution is merely a step of a macro-universal evolution. And you cannot explain evolution ( for instance: the transformation from the reptile cyanodont to mammal) if you don’t apply those variables.

I have mentioned that the models of Matrix Theory suggests the existence of an ex-machine intelligence because the models suggests this universe carries out a genetic reproduction. So, if intelligence is a shape of the embryo, the system ex-machine being reproduced here must have intelligence. But, it does not mean that there is an intelligent design: any mouse or giraffe are able to reproduce itself without applying intelligence. I did not use intelligence for doing my son. And   

You said: “This is a bad analogy. If I had to use it, I would say DNA is the software, and the proteins that read it are the hardware. A better analogy would be the DNA is the blueprint to our body.”

Matrix: Proteins are like the hands (or robots) of the DNA for to build a cell system, and after that, a multicellular living body.  But, for to understand this theory it is necessary to explain what I think is a natural system and I can’t do it here. A cell system is merely a little bit complex reproduction of a nucleotide system. Which is reproduction of a proto-astronomical system. Universal evolution is evolution of a unique system that was born with the Big Bang. Then, from atoms system to human body system is the same evolution we see about computers. There are a process of feed-back between a universal formula of natural systems (a kind of software called Matrix) and the hardware, which produces evolution.

You said: “If it is possible, it's going to happen.”

Matrix: “Yes, I agree that your theory is possible. But, the Matrix/DNA theory is possible also. The three billion years used for to build the first living being (the first cell system) could be by abiogenesis (as you explained above) or astronomical embryogenesis (as suggested by Matrix/DNA theory). I don’t know if abiogenesis theory is scientifically falsiable, but embryogenesis is. We need photos from a hundred different kinds of astronomical bodies for to prove that LUCA is real. If all photos are only about the seven known shapes we know today, your theory will earn. But, take care, look to the photos that NASA is publishing almost every day: each photo is coming with the same comments: this body is not a common planet or star or pulsar like our models and we need to change the astronomic theory.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2010, 01:27:29 PM »
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fulfilling the gaps and explanations in the biological and cosmological evolution, and suggesting the existence of an Intelligence Supreme beyond the borders of this universe.

You are right I did say God of the Gaps. It is a common phrase around here. It all means the same thing. You are using god, yes, what you are proposing is god, to answer unanswered questions. This is simply unacceptable in the scientific community.
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Re: First Post: The Universal Matrix?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 01:26:17 AM »
You said: "You are using god, yes, what you are proposing is god,..."

That’s the cause I am grateful for people like you that spent yours worth time criticizing the results I got from my personal investigation. Really, the “Intelligence Supreme” in English leads a person to think I am talking about a god. In Portuguese (where the noun comes before the adjective) has a different meaning. I was thinking about an intelligence that must be superior to the human intelligence which is different to say “a supreme, absolute, intelligence). I need to fix it, thanks.

What is acceptable to the scientific community does not make a thing real or not real. I think the idea of god is not acceptable to the modern human reason, or to the common sense among naturalistic philosophers, but we also do not decide what is real or unreal. For instance, the possibility of the existence of an ex-machine intelligence is unconfortable to my reasoning, but  I am not searching what is good or not, and so, what is the thru.  We live under a hierarchy of natural systems. Any superior system can emit forces to influentiates parts and systems that are its sub-systems. Then, it is not possible to know completely any object if we don’t know all existing systems. So, I am skeptical, included, the scientific knowledge. For instance: we know that the supreme goal of living beings is the fight for survival. But, opposing this “law” we have the suicide-bomb. Why? Because there is a invisible system (a religion) that emits forces and influentiates the object called human being to the point of changing its behavior. If we are inside the theoretical proto- system called LUCA, and he is encrypted into our genetics, it is influentiating biological evolution.
 
Why are you insisting about the non relevant aspect of the theory, which is an uncomfortable incursion by metaphysics, and not to concentrate upon the facts and mechanisms suggested there? This is what matter for me. The possibility of a superior intelligence ex-machine in a Universe that carries out a genetic reproduction (where we, human beings are like genes expressing the last evolved layers of universal genes that makes the last evolved shape of the universal embryo – consciousness) does not matter for our life. It is the same situation of a pregnant woman: she does not know what the fetus inside her fells the word, what he wants, what is going good or bad. Because she is not present inside the fetus’s universe. This theory does not leave the natural world, and projects Nature to beyond the Big Bang for to calculate what is going on there. An embryo cannot know what is going beyond his womb-universe and cannot to communicate with his parents. There is no supernatural and magical god in this theory.

Besides that, the models suggest how the human mind is getting the shape of a natural system, modeled by the Matrix formula. The human head is its egg. But, universal evolution suggests that any process of a new system formation obey to two phases: first, the chaos state, when the eggs are laid out and the offspring is abandoned to its own destiny; second, the new system is kept and nurtured inside a womb till certain age. Our consciousness – which is the matrix getting knowledge about its own existence – is under the first phase. It explains why biosphere is a chaotic state ( lol, you can see this chaotic state in the jungle!), and why we are exposed to tragedies and predators.
 
By the way, maybe the salvage spirit of the jungle leads me far away off the beam, and the results of my investigation are totally or partially wrong. I don’t  know it, I am an agnostic  skeptical. What I can do is testing the results against real facts and being grateful to people like you that help me to analyze and fixing the logic behind the models. Cheers…     
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