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Offline Noisy Rhysling

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Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« on: June 15, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »
What would Middle Earth have been like if Isildur had tossed the One Ring instead of glomming onto it? Has there been any work(s) on that?
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 07:20:04 AM »
Without the ring there'd never have been the books, and without the books there wouldn't have been a ring. If Isildur had tossed the ring, there never would have been a ring to toss in the first place. Thus, once Tolkien wrote The Hobbit, it was inevitable that Isildur could never have tossed the ring.
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 07:23:10 AM »
Without the ring there'd never have been the books, and without the books there wouldn't have been a ring. If Isildur had tossed the ring, there never would have been a ring to toss in the first place. Thus, once Tolkien wrote The Hobbit, it was inevitable that Isildur could never have tossed the ring.
Hang on, I"m feeding that to Colossus. Awaiting analysis. 
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 05:31:46 AM »
I always laugh at this


I actually asked about this as a kid
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 02:33:29 PM »
They were so close to showing the moment demonstrating why that wouldn't work.  The eye goes big, the tower collapses, and the AIR FORCE OF FLYING NAZGUL fall from the sky.  Where they were not lurking for some reason moments earlier to thwart the leisurely flight of the eagle...
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 02:44:01 PM »
On the OP.

Isildur destroys the ring.  Bye bye Sauron, bye bye Elven Rings.  Possibly bye-bye Isildur, or possibly since he has the strength to destroy the Ring, he also has the strength to endure its loss.

The Elves would immediately begin to fade and flock to the West in their ships.  Basically skip the 3rd age entirely, straight from 2nd age to 4th age.  No fresh infusion of Elvishness into the ruling house of Men, granted, but the Men of Gondor and Arnor as a people would be starting from a much higher initial condition than the reduced people of Gondor 3000 years later.

It's a bit unclear what happens with Orcs and other non-human baddies without the lingering spirit of Sauron to egg them on - would they also decline, or would they continue to rise and fall in cycles of conquest of various success?

Would thriving Men in Arnor have been able to help the Dwarves reclaim Khazad-dum, or would Durin's Bane have been too much for them as well?  The Battle of Azanulbizar would be very different with thousands of Numenoreans present...

What about Smaug, greatest of calamities?  If the Dwarves are back in Moria, then they aren't in Erebor to be driven out by the dragon.
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 02:58:25 PM »
They were so close to showing the moment demonstrating why that wouldn't work.  The eye goes big, the tower collapses, and the AIR FORCE OF FLYING NAZGUL fall from the sky.  Where they were not lurking for some reason moments earlier to thwart the leisurely flight of the eagle...
Sequence shows that wasn't important. They were heading for Mount Doom to thwart Frodo. When the ring was destroyed they died the final death. THEN Gandalf calls for the air taxis to take him to Mount Doom.
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Re: Isildur doesn't disappoint?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 03:00:43 PM »
The orcs would have faded into irrelevancy. They were only so bold as Sauron wanted them to be, and without that driving force they were just cave rats.
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