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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1560 on: May 18, 2019, 11:27:25 AM »
And who eats just a burger and hotdog?  Would you like fries with that? How about a soda? 


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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1561 on: May 18, 2019, 11:29:23 AM »
Also, the meat in the burger would not count as highly processed. It’s just ground beef.  Processed, but not highly processed.


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« Reply #1562 on: May 18, 2019, 02:08:03 PM »
Fries also have nearly half their calories from fat, they just have a lot less protein and more carbs than the burger.

Of course if the burger patty doesn't count as highly processed, then neither do fries.
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1563 on: May 18, 2019, 02:33:18 PM »
And actually, any mass-produced reconstituted meat pruduct, such as McDonald's burger patties, is in fact ultraprocessed according to the study.

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1564 on: May 18, 2019, 02:49:36 PM »
And who eats just a burger and hotdog?  Would you like fries with that? How about a soda? 


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Actually, I am no longer the only oddball that gets a bare sausage or meat pattty at a bbq.  The white bread and what passes for tomato sauce (ketchup) add nothing to the feed but cleaner fingers, but there is always a serviette about.
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1565 on: May 18, 2019, 03:22:46 PM »
And actually, any mass-produced reconstituted meat pruduct, such as McDonald's burger patties, is in fact ultraprocessed according to the study.

https://world.openfoodfacts.org/nova
The hotdog would, the beef patty would not, by that definition.


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LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1566 on: May 18, 2019, 03:25:54 PM »
Fries also have nearly half their calories from fat, they just have a lot less protein and more carbs than the burger.

Of course if the burger patty doesn't count as highly processed, then neither do fries.
That would be true of the fries you make at home but not McDonalds fries.
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McDonald's French Fry Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [Wheat and Milk Derivatives]*), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (Maintain Color), Salt.


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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1567 on: May 18, 2019, 03:32:25 PM »
Taken as a whole, with the condiments and "cheese", it certainly would qualify.

Quarter Pound 100% Beef Patty*

Ingredients: 100% Pure USDA Inspected Beef; No Fillers, No Extenders.
Prepared with Grill Seasoning (Salt, Black Pepper).*Weight Before Cooking 4 oz.

Quarter Pound Bun

Ingredients: Enriched Flour (Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Sesame Seeds, Salt, Wheat Gluten, Dextrose, Guar Gum, Vinegar, Vegetable Proteins (Pea, Potato, Rice), Sunflower and/or Canola Oil, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavors, May Contain One or More Dough Conditioners (DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Mono and Diglycerides, Enzymes), Modified Food Starch.

Contains: WHEAT.

Pasteurized Process American Cheese

Ingredients: Milk, Cream, Water, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Cheese Cultures, Citric Acid, Enzymes, Soy Lecithin, Color Added.

Contains: Milk, Soy.

Ketchup

Ingredients: Tomato Concentrate from Red Ripe Tomatoes, Distilled Vinegar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Natural Flavors.

Pickle Slices

Ingredients: Cucumbers, Water, Distilled Vinegar, Salt, Calcium Chloride, Alum, Potassium Sorbate (Preservative), Natural Flavors, Polysorbate 80, Extractives of Turmeric (Color).

Onions

Ingredients: Onions.

Mustard

Ingredients: Distilled Vinegar, Water, Mustard Seed, Salt, Turmeric, Paprika, Spice Extractive.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/quarter-pounder-with-cheese.html

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1568 on: May 18, 2019, 04:45:24 PM »

McDonald's French Fry Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [Wheat and Milk Derivatives]*), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (Maintain Color), Salt.


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Perfectly good potatoes poisoned by vegetable oil.
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1569 on: May 18, 2019, 05:52:06 PM »

McDonald's French Fry Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [Wheat and Milk Derivatives]*), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (Maintain Color), Salt.


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Perfectly good potatoes poisoned by vegetable oil.
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1570 on: May 18, 2019, 05:58:10 PM »
Taken as a whole, with the condiments and "cheese", it certainly would qualify.


I'm curious if the study would have considered that 100% ultra-processed, or 80% (minus the patty).

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1571 on: May 18, 2019, 06:05:59 PM »
And actually, any mass-produced reconstituted meat pruduct, such as McDonald's burger patties, is in fact ultraprocessed according to the study.

https://world.openfoodfacts.org/nova
The hotdog would, the beef patty would not, by that definition.
The article literally uses a picture of a burger to illustrate the ultraprocessed diet...
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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1572 on: May 18, 2019, 06:11:51 PM »
And actually, any mass-produced reconstituted meat pruduct, such as McDonald's burger patties, is in fact ultraprocessed according to the study.

https://world.openfoodfacts.org/nova
The hotdog would, the beef patty would not, by that definition.
The article literally uses a picture of a burger to illustrate the ultraprocessed diet...

Yea, I'll let you know when I read the study.

FWIW, if they call a McDonalds hamburger 100% ultra-processed that would bother me.

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Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Reply #1573 on: May 18, 2019, 06:17:13 PM »
And actually, any mass-produced reconstituted meat pruduct, such as McDonald's burger patties, is in fact ultraprocessed according to the study.

https://world.openfoodfacts.org/nova
The hotdog would, the beef patty would not, by that definition.
The article literally uses a picture of a burger to illustrate the ultraprocessed diet...

Yea, I'll let you know when I read the study.

FWIW, if they call a McDonalds hamburger 100% ultra-processed that would bother me.
Whether or not McDonald's burgers count, I strongly doubt the macronutrient quantities vary hugely from one brand of burger to another.
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« Reply #1574 on: May 18, 2019, 06:18:56 PM »
Very cool and intellectually honest to assume the study in any way supports your ideas about nutrition without even reading it, though.
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