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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2015, 10:42:21 AM »
Supernatural is an awesome show, and curses on anyone who says otherwise. I love the show. My daughter loves the show (for obvious reasons). I like the camp. It's just entertaining.

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2015, 11:16:03 AM »
I watched Supernatural for a while. never got much sense of an overarching plot, a little too isolated episodes'y for me
(but I watched up to the point an angel became god, or something, so...I guess there is one)

I was hoping there would be an episode set in Stars Hollow one day.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2015, 11:20:57 AM »
I honestly find sex scenes on tv shows to be lazy time fillers. Yeah, it can often be a look into the psychology of the character but normally its more a look at the psychology of the director/writer or their perception of their audience.
I find it especially noticeable in period pieces where the sex and the participants bear no resemblance to what I read of sex during these periods. It tells me Im supposed to be turned on and not anything about the story being told. The lack of female body hair is a good thing to point to in that respect.
Supernatural is not something most people would point to as a great tv show but they did two sex scenes that I can recall which both spoke volumes about the characters involved. They did it in tropey ways but the tropes were totally at odds with what we had been shown of these characters to that point.

I recall reading John Cleland"s 1748 novel Fanny Hill, which was banned for years due to its heavy sex scenes. The book depicts sex common at the time, and really, it's little different from what you might expect to see on TV today. I suppose each generation thinks that it invented certain sexual practices. But really, most have been around forever.

Even film porn from the earliest days of movies are pretty much the same thing as today, with scenes of oral sex, girl-on-girl, etc.

I like to joke that Edison invented his kinetoscope in 1891, and that later that day someone used the device to photograph a sex scene.
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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2015, 11:50:21 AM »
I honestly find sex scenes on tv shows to be lazy time fillers. Yeah, it can often be a look into the psychology of the character but normally its more a look at the psychology of the director/writer or their perception of their audience.
I find it especially noticeable in period pieces where the sex and the participants bear no resemblance to what I read of sex during these periods. It tells me Im supposed to be turned on and not anything about the story being told. The lack of female body hair is a good thing to point to in that respect.
Supernatural is not something most people would point to as a great tv show but they did two sex scenes that I can recall which both spoke volumes about the characters involved. They did it in tropey ways but the tropes were totally at odds with what we had been shown of these characters to that point.

I recall reading John Cleland"s 1748 novel Fanny Hill, which was banned for years due to its heavy sex scenes. The book depicts sex common at the time, and really, it's little different from what you might expect to see on TV today. I suppose each generation thinks that it invented certain sexual practices. But really, most have been around forever.

Even film porn from the earliest days of movies are pretty much the same thing as today, with scenes of oral sex, girl-on-girl, etc.

I like to joke that Edison invented his kinetoscope in 1891, and that later that day someone used the device to photograph a sex scene.

hahahha, what a good joke.

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2015, 11:03:06 PM »
I watched Supernatural for a while. never got much sense of an overarching plot, a little too isolated episodes'y for me
(but I watched up to the point an angel became god, or something, so...I guess there is one)

I was hoping there would be an episode set in Stars Hollow one day.

The show basically takes the line demons and angels are both douchebags and both ego driven with humanity caught in the crossfire. The majority of angels in the show are worse than the demons and some of the demons are just as likable as the main characters.

As for plot the first 5 seasons? are driven by a single storyline, it gets resolved and then the show becomes more about family in general, and how we don't get to pick those we love the most... or how those we love hurt us the most... or cheese burgers.

In anycase, I love the show. It references itself in a few episodes and there is a running gag about fan fiction in which Sam and Dean are lovers and not brothers. Rare to find a show, even today, that doesn't take the medium too seriously and are willing to break up the format and take chances here and there.

We're not talking the Wire here, or the Shield. But...yeah... I look forward to the show constantly.


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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2015, 11:47:43 PM »
I think Supernatural was one of the best shows on television up until the original showrunner left.

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It had real character and plot arcs and it allowed the story and characters to grow and change, rather than myopically pursuing status quo. Sam and Dean are superbly acted and weren't reduced to caricatures until the show made a conscious choice to do so. At some point they decided to go after humor as often as they go after horror. The funny episodes are funny as hell but I think the horror episodes have become too bland.

Sure, it wasn't The Wire, but that's hardly criticism. The Wire is pretty much the best show ever.

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2015, 12:33:08 AM »
I watched Supernatural for a while. never got much sense of an overarching plot, a little too isolated episodes'y for me
(but I watched up to the point an angel became god, or something, so...I guess there is one)

I was hoping there would be an episode set in Stars Hollow one day.
I was about to ask the mods to bane you for this attack on Gilmore Girls but then I remembered that Jared "Dean" Padalecki is one of the stars of the show. Which, MEH. He is perhaps the most annoying recurring character on GG (Tristan / Chad Michael Murray might be worse, but at least he has the excuse of playing a douchebag). I remember watching the show at the time and being somewhat happy that for whatever reason Dean stopped being a major part of the show, although the flip side of that was that it gave more screen time to the overdrawn (but still 15% less annoying than Dean) Jess (played by Milo Ventimiglia).
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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2015, 12:45:48 AM »
I watched Supernatural for a while. never got much sense of an overarching plot, a little too isolated episodes'y for me
(but I watched up to the point an angel became god, or something, so...I guess there is one)

I was hoping there would be an episode set in Stars Hollow one day.
I was about to ask the mods to bane you for this attack on Gilmore Girls but then I remembered that Jared "Dean" Padalecki is one of the stars of the show. Which, MEH. He is perhaps the most annoying recurring character on GG (Tristan / Chad Michael Murray might be worse, but at least he has the excuse of playing a douchebag). I remember watching the show at the time and being somewhat happy that for whatever reason Dean stopped being a major part of the show, although the flip side of that was that it gave more screen time to the overdrawn (but still 15% less annoying than Dean) Jess (played by Milo Ventimiglia).

Did Rory ever have a likable romantic interest? Of course her mother didn't always have the best taste in men so I guess she learned from the best. I actually came to Supernatural primed to hate it because of Dean, but Sam is much less annoying (despite being almost as whiny).

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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2015, 12:14:07 PM »
I was about to ask the mods to bane you for this attack on Gilmore Girls but-
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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2015, 05:07:38 PM »
Im a big Supernatural fan. Once you have watched a good cross section of it, the meta episodes are an absolute joy!
That highschool musical version of carry on my wayward son is on my phones playlist.
On ye olde sex- Yes, putting our bits in other peoples bits is likely the same as it ever was but standards of hygene and body hair preferences are vastly different. So Im more talking about the impossibility of certain "beauty" standards being presented. All those lithe ladies in GoT should have as much body hair as I do. Or most of them at least.
I cant imagine coitus being the olfactory joy we find today either.

So speaking of not the best. Just checked out Selfie and Ground Floor on the plane. Jesus!! Those are two unwatchable shows!!
I hating things that people may have worked hard on or could really affect their careers but holy hell....someone is responsible for the sheer awfulness of those shows and moreover the awfulness of the characters.
It was unbearable. And I had just watched Lucy from start to finish.

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2015, 09:55:05 PM »
Im a big Supernatural fan. Once you have watched a good cross section of it, the meta episodes are an absolute joy!
That highschool musical version of carry on my wayward son is on my phones playlist.
On ye olde sex- Yes, putting our bits in other peoples bits is likely the same as it ever was but standards of hygene and body hair preferences are vastly different. So Im more talking about the impossibility of certain "beauty" standards being presented. All those lithe ladies in GoT should have as much body hair as I do. Or most of them at least.
I cant imagine coitus being the olfactory joy we find today either.

So speaking of not the best. Just checked out Selfie and Ground Floor on the plane. Jesus!! Those are two unwatchable shows!!
I hating things that people may have worked hard on or could really affect their careers but holy hell....someone is responsible for the sheer awfulness of those shows and moreover the awfulness of the characters.
It was unbearable. And I had just watched Lucy from start to finish.

Sex back then would have been rather odious. Pubic lice, poor hygiene-all-around, and the beauty standards were quite different. I hate how our preferences are cast backward, but then they are creating for an audience today. Just stop and think for a moment how prevalent various stds were, the lack of treatments and the like. Nothing like your cock or nose falling off, or pissing puss.  And the men back then would have stunk beyond any tolerable measure.

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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2015, 06:50:40 AM »
Yeah, that's why people hated sex and wanted nothing to do with it for thousands of years. It's a miracle the human race survived at all.

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Re: List of the Not the Very Best TV Shows
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2015, 08:01:38 AM »
The point is that its being included in most shows simply to titilate rather than for any narrative value.
Its useful filler when they dont have 40min of material and it can help the tempo and the ratings but I find it really boring.
I actually think its a fascinating conversation but a bit of a derail I suppose.

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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2015, 08:41:04 AM »
The point is that its being included in most shows simply to titilate rather than for any narrative value.

God, I hate that.

Its useful filler when they dont have 40min of material and it can help the tempo and the ratings but I find it really boring.

Yup, lazy, and a straight up drag.

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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2015, 12:29:25 PM »
Well personally I enjoy being titillated. I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't.

Anyway regardless of narrative value it's going to pretty damn rare that a sex scene is included in order to educate viewers about historical hygiene practices. If that's what you're looking for in a sex scene you'll probably never be satisfied.

In any event I think we can all agree that Game of Thrones is playing pretty fast and loose with history. I doubt the writers could even locate Westeros on a map.

 

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