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Offline AllanGuldager

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Non-skeptical must reads?
« on: February 19, 2015, 11:38:19 AM »
I recently bought the following:
The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan

Flim-Flam! by James Randi

Bad Science by Ben Goldacre

Why People Believe Weird Things by Michael Shermer

Trick or Treatment? by Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst

But I do want to read books from "the other side" also. I know about Kevin Trudeaus books, but are there others must reads pseudo-science or paranormal books?

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 11:40:39 AM »
Flim Flam is one of my important turning points
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 11:41:36 AM »
Wrong place, please move to right board :)

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 11:45:10 AM »
Wrong place, please move to right board :)

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 01:26:35 PM »
Wrong place, please move to right board :)

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 01:29:03 PM »
Wrong place, please move to right board :)

Are you a moderator?

I am.  You can tell by the title Global Moderator, and the five red squares.  It is perfectly appropriate for AllanGuldager to ask in a post that the thread be moved.  He could also have done so by reporting the initial post, or by PMing me or another moderator.

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"There's only one rule that I know of, babies—God damn it, you've got to be kind."  Kurt Vonnegut
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 01:29:48 PM »
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 02:13:08 PM »
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 02:15:14 PM »
I recently bought the following:
The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan

Flim-Flam! by James Randi

Bad Science by Ben Goldacre

Why People Believe Weird Things by Michael Shermer

Trick or Treatment? by Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst

But I do want to read books from "the other side" also. I know about Kevin Trudeaus books, but are there others must reads pseudo-science or paranormal books?

Anyway to answer your question:

Anything by Deepak Chopra
Anything by Michael Behe

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 03:13:21 PM »
Pretty much any woo that has been directly refuted then go read the refutation.  It has been very educational for me to discover how some of the purveyor's of woo are so completely full of shit.  I used to think they were mostly just a little wrong about science or history that was not totally settled but no...  The ancient alien folks or 911 truthers are great examples.  Pretty much every point they make is wrong and has been known to be wrong from the beginning of each. 

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 03:29:15 PM »
I don't personally recommend going to read stuff by "the other side" unless you really want to because I for one don't find it terribly enjoyable or enlightening. I understand the moral hazard there of getting caught in a loop where you only believe in skepticky things because you're never exposed to the alternative, but I also feel like you can get quite a bit of exposure to "alternative" points of view just by interacting with the outside world.

Some of the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron videos are amusing enough to sit through if you're into irony.
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 04:03:26 PM »
I don't personally recommend going to read stuff by "the other side" unless you really want to because I for one don't find it terribly enjoyable or enlightening. I understand the moral hazard there of getting caught in a loop where you only believe in skepticky things because you're never exposed to the alternative, but I also feel like you can get quite a bit of exposure to "alternative" points of view just by interacting with the outside world.

Some of the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron videos are amusing enough to sit through if you're into irony.
I'm trying to educate myself, and I have never encountered much woo and pseudoscience in my personal life. I'm not talking about reading all kinds of crap, just a little bit. But I guess a couple of articles now and then will suffice?

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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 04:05:08 PM »
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Re: Non-skeptical must reads?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 04:35:48 PM »
The key to looking at the 'woo' side is to do your best to understand the topic first from the experts in the topic then go look at the woo.  I'm convinced that a lot of the anti-vax crowd wouldn't be that way if Dr. Google ranked based on peer review. 
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