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Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2015, 10:42:10 PM »
I dont think the above is a spoiler at all but the inhumans fold really nicely into the marvel universe while having them exist alongside the x-men makes very little sense with the way the world views them and how they view the world.

My wife and I were talking about the way the Inhumans work in the MCU after watching the AOS finale. She says she wants simple good-guys-white-hats bad-guys-black-hats kind of conflicts, but that's not what she actually chooses to consume for entertainment. When I described Jiaying as "this world's Magneto" she got it right away.

I can't see how Marvel could integrate the other superhero teams into the MCU without completely unbalancing everything. I mean superhero epics are inherently unbalanced, but that would really eff the thing up.

Fantastic Four I can see working, but the X-Men brings too much baggage to the universe to make sense in the universe they've created.  How can you have mutants all of a sudden be a thing that's been around for decades and have no one ever having mentioned it before?

Okay - I can see FF fitting in without completely borking the thing as long as they appear post AOU. Spider-Man could be added in the same way, actually.

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Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2015, 02:50:32 PM »
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2015, 09:17:18 AM »
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.

Quicksilver was awesome in X-Men. Okay in A:AOU, but meh, really. Actually, I don't think I'll remember him in A:AOU, just like I don't really remember Scarlet Witch in X-Men.

I wondered why they would want those two in particular, given the MCU appears to have no mutants in it. There are an awful lot of characters to choose from without dipping into that thread.

I do like how the whole thing fits together, and will continue to watch most of the shows, I think. I'm not going to feel bad if I don't get into one of the Netflix series, though.
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Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2015, 09:21:07 AM »
AFAICR both Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were regular members of the avengers.  As was Vision.  They got married in the pages of the Avengers.  In fact Vision and The Scarlet Witch was a long running title for Marvel IIRC.

EDIT Actually it was a miniseries. http://marvel.wikia.com/Vision_and_the_Scarlet_Witch_Vol_1
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2015, 10:19:25 AM »
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.

Quicksilver was awesome in X-Men. Okay in A:AOU, but meh, really. Actually, I don't think I'll remember him in A:AOU, just like I don't really remember Scarlet Witch in X-Men.

I wondered why they would want those two in particular, given the MCU appears to have no mutants in it. There are an awful lot of characters to choose from without dipping into that thread.

I do like how the whole thing fits together, and will continue to watch most of the shows, I think. I'm not going to feel bad if I don't get into one of the Netflix series, though.

I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2015, 03:42:15 PM »
 I forgot about that. I had remembered it previously. But then I forgot about it again. I guess the chain of events is if you have Ultron you need the Vision. If you have the Vision you need Scarlet Witch. If you have Scarlet Witch you need Quicksilver.

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2015, 03:51:10 PM »
I forgot about that. I had remembered it previously. But then I forgot about it again. I guess the chain of events is if you have Ultron you need the Vision. If you have the Vision you need Scarlet Witch. If you have Scarlet Witch you need Quicksilver.

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I'm a continuity nerd.  I may not notice everything, but when I notice continuity breaks, I get very annoyed.  So this break is a bit grating--particularly because Marvel is trying to build up a cohesive universe.
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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2015, 11:02:37 PM »
I added a few links too threads for these movies, like Deadpool. Let me know if there is a release date for that one.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2015, 11:53:44 PM »
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I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
Its all because of who has the film rights to which characters.  Before there was a Marvel Studios, Marvel sold the rights to some characters to other studios.  The X-men and Mutants to Fox, FF and Spidey went to Sony.  Apparently Marvel as negotiated with Sony to get Spidey in the MCU, thus the reboot. 

Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.

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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2015, 12:07:15 AM »
Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.

Agents of SHIELD seems to be largely about (at least so far) about establishing the Inhumans as stand ins for mutants in the MCU.  In the last episode of season 2 they:

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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2015, 03:11:43 AM »
The Inhumans are confirmed in that role, I believe. Agents has set up and tied together other stuff, but that is clearly a big part of the reason it exists. That said, we are 4 years from that movie, so we will see what goes on. Agents may run is course in another year or two, though I think it will likely continue. S03 week be about the Civil War (with Inhumans instead of Mutants), S04 will tie in Ragnorak, and S06 and S07 take on the Infinity War.
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2015, 12:19:52 PM »
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I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
Its all because of who has the film rights to which characters.  Before there was a Marvel Studios, Marvel sold the rights to some characters to other studios.  The X-men and Mutants to Fox, FF and Spidey went to Sony.  Apparently Marvel as negotiated with Sony to get Spidey in the MCU, thus the reboot. 

Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.

Yeah, I understand that the rights issues are what screw this all up, but it's still annoying.

Why can't they call them mutants in the MCU?
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2015, 01:35:48 PM »
Because the term mutant, and any characters who premiered in XMen comics belong to Fox as per their deal.
Its hilarious that this happened because this was the most popular and marketable property they had to sell at the time and pretty much nothing has been done with it.
I really pity the lawyers who had to become comicbook experts and trawl through every single character in marvel comics to decide which universe they belong in.
But as I said earlier, I wish the comics would follow the lead of the movies and partition the universes a little.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2015, 03:04:48 PM »
Honestly, I think they could stand to partition the movies a little more.   IMHO, one of the big problems with the superhero movies is every series works its way towards serious cast bloat.   Few directors and writers can really handle a large cast of characters.   

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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2015, 03:55:54 PM »
Yeah, they are starting to become more suited to tv.
I like the idea of shared universe but real life cops and soldiers live in a shared universe too and they dont interact with each other on every case.

 

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