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Episode #581
« on: August 27, 2016, 11:58:27 AM »
What’s the Word: Inquiline; News Items: Proxima Centauri b Confirmed, Anthropocene, World Wide Web 25, The Fight Against Pseudoscience, Pew Belief Poll; Who’s That Noisy; Name That Logical Fallacy; Science or Fiction
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 03:24:42 PM »
Regarding the belief poll, I live in Benton county, Oregon, that has a relatively high percentage of atheists, and Corvallis is considered a Liberal college town.  I often meet folks at the pub that I would consider to be conservative and religious:  Natural = good, artificial = bad, GMO = bad, alt med = good, western medicine = bad, etc.  It's a natural/woo religion that cherry picks science to support their beliefs, fears technological progress, measures their enlightenment and smug ignorance by how far they can shove their heads up their butts (Butthism), and arrogantly believes that they have found The Truth if they can guide or trick their brains into doing so.   ...in my humble opinion.

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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2016, 07:59:18 PM »
That was the last slap in the face I'm going to take. Their "premium" membership is bullshit. I gave them my money and didn't get shit. Good luck on your "lawsuit".
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2016, 09:16:33 PM »
That was the last slap in the face I'm going to take. Their "premium" membership is bullshit. I gave them my money and didn't get shit. Good luck on your "lawsuit".

What the hell is this guy talking about?
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2016, 02:45:18 AM »
I agree with Bob on Proxima B. A vast amount of information is streaming past us right now. We simply lack the technology to process it. But our technology will progress by many orders of magnitude before any physical probe could arrive. Our best bet is to send one of those Star Shot postage stamp probes AWAY from Proxima Centauri. Once we get it 700 AUs out, we can use the sun to gravity lens the shit out of Proxima B. It's reasonable to expect 100km resolution. We could see mountain ranges, continents and weather patterns.

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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2016, 05:34:49 AM »
Regarding: Richard Grant's criticism of science communicators.

Perhaps, in the latter half of my life, I'm straying into cynicism, but did the panel perhaps miss the possibility that they're dealing with a Wakeford Wakefield Gambit?   Grant promotes himself as a science communicator and has founded a blogging platform - so it's a good marketing ploy to identify a problem in the field - the next step being to sell himself as the solution.
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 07:02:52 AM »
On absense of evedence you guys hit it on the nose in one point but kept talking. The truth is absense of evedence is never evedence of absence. The problem is with the claiments definition of absense of evedence. In short a nul result is not absense of evedence.
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 07:16:49 AM »
I agree with Bob on Proxima B. A vast amount of information is streaming past us right now. We simply lack the technology to process it. But our technology will progress by many orders of magnitude before any physical probe could arrive. Our best bet is to send one of those Star Shot postage stamp probes AWAY from Proxima Centauri. Once we get it 700 AUs out, we can use the sun to gravity lens the shit out of Proxima B. It's reasonable to expect 100km resolution. We could see mountain ranges, continents and weather patterns.

I doubt it.  Proxima B is so far away and so small ...  an iPod sized device just wouldn't have the optics to receive much of an image of it, regardless of gravity lensing by the sun.  As an illustration - remember how poor the images the Hubble telescope, with its metres diameter lens, managed to take of the much closer Pluto.  Very blurred images with hardly any detail at all.
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2016, 09:27:49 AM »
Wakeford Gambit

Do you mean Wakefield? If not, what is this referring to?
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2016, 05:32:12 PM »
Wakeford Gambit

Do you mean Wakefield? If not, what is this referring to?

I did indeed - thanks for the sharp eyes!

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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2016, 05:35:05 PM »
Does anyone know what Chew is talking about?  Did the Rogues do something unconscionable I should know about?  And why the scare quotes around "lawsuit"?
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2016, 06:54:47 PM »
Does anyone know what Chew is talking about?  Did the Rogues do something unconscionable I should know about?  And why the scare quotes around "lawsuit"?

Yeah, I'm curious about that myself... I didn't detect any face slapping in the episode.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2016, 07:09:32 PM »
Does anyone know what Chew is talking about?  Did the Rogues do something unconscionable I should know about?  And why the scare quotes around "lawsuit"?

Yeah, I'm curious about that myself... I didn't detect any face slapping in the episode.
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2016, 09:28:04 PM »
That was the last slap in the face I'm going to take. Their "premium" membership is bullshit. I gave them my money and didn't get shit. Good luck on your "lawsuit".

Could you please elucidate? Many of us are baffled. What was the "slap in the face"? Did you perhaps have difficulty downloading the premium version? Or were you upset because the premium version included an ad for membership? (I was a bit baffled by that, since presumably anybody listening to the premium version knows about membership.)

BTW, just speaking for myself, while I enjoy the premium content, I subscribe to the premium version because I like the show itself, and would continue to be a "member" even if all I got was the regular version of the show. I donate because I want the show to continue. I donate to some podcasts that do not give premium content to subscribers.
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Re: Episode #581
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2016, 07:05:29 AM »
Does anyone know what Chew is talking about?  Did the Rogues do something unconscionable I should know about?  And why the scare quotes around "lawsuit"?

Yeah, I'm curious about that myself... I didn't detect any face slapping in the episode.
The best I could figure was that he was set off by the most recent premium content- a discussion of pseudoscience in politics based on Stein

No, I'm pretty sure Chew is not a Stein supporter.
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