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Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« on: December 07, 2016, 08:38:15 PM »


And seriously, I don't feel at all intimidated by all this. I generally don't share much personal information on the web, and I have taken advantage of targeted advertisements. Quite a few t-shirts and a meteorite were bought this way.

Even watching this episode, I'm still thinking, "Still worth it".

So, am I the only one?
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 08:48:45 PM »
I'm half with you.

The monetization of page views is kind of a villain to my mind. We're experiencing a major disinformation economic bubble because of it, which is bad, bad, bad no matter how you slice it.

And while I got rid of Facebook because of what I could see it doing to public discourse (or maybe trends I noticed while on Facebook), I don't worry much about posting shit. I mean, who would give a crap about me? And anyway my name is so vanilla common it's nigh impossible to Google me.

I do worry about the concrete that social media seems to pour over our ideological bubbles, and the normative forces of opinioniering on those sites, and the chilling effect the dynamics of social media can seem to have on dissent... come to think of it, I'm not at all with you.
But I get your opinion, and you may be right not to be bothered by it.
Guess I'm just more pessimistic in this case.
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:27 PM »
yeah, but technically, the things you find wrong with the subjects, are things that aren't particularly related to the subject. The ideological bubbles is something I do worry about, because I know the layman doesn't realize it. I know I am in a bubble within my ideologies and I am perfectly comfortable in it because I know how to peak outside and challenge them, which I have done. But this is something that the layman doesn't know how to do and tend to think that most of the world or that reality is as they see in they're bubble. However, this has nothing to do with the collection of data to sell it to an advertiser. This is misapplied technologies, with a solution I cannot see, and I don't think that the companies would want a solution because the population seem to like it like this, else they tend to leave the platform.

As for the monetization of page views, I know very little of. It seems to me that companies don't really know how to handle the internet yet and try to do things that give them the best short term results. This of course leads to things like SOPA, porn bans and said economic bubble. It will eventually burst and we will recover and be the better for it or at least lead companies to an optimal solution for profit on a free internet. It has happened before. And then again this has very little to do with collecting my personal information.

The biggest complaint I see is privacy. And most people do not like a Big Brother watching over them. But they forget that freedom has a price. and true freedom means the freedom of others to do harm to you.
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2016, 09:23:35 PM »
I would prefer a pay-to-use model over the present ad-based model, but given the power of the present system, even when we pay for services, we're still being tracked and sold to advertisers. It's just not very high on my list of concerns. I don't like the present system, but I don't see anything I can do about it. Though I'm not on Facebook, because I think it's creepy and particularly unscrupulous.
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2016, 09:49:36 PM »
yeah, but technically, the things you find wrong with the subjects, are things that aren't particularly related to the subject. The ideological bubbles is something I do worry about, because I know the layman doesn't realize it. I know I am in a bubble within my ideologies and I am perfectly comfortable in it because I know how to peak outside and challenge them, which I have done. But this is something that the layman doesn't know how to do and tend to think that most of the world or that reality is as they see in they're bubble. However, this has nothing to do with the collection of data to sell it to an advertiser. This is misapplied technologies, with a solution I cannot see, and I don't think that the companies would want a solution because the population seem to like it like this, else they tend to leave the platform.

As for the monetization of page views, I know very little of. It seems to me that companies don't really know how to handle the internet yet and try to do things that give them the best short term results. This of course leads to things like SOPA, porn bans and said economic bubble. It will eventually burst and we will recover and be the better for it or at least lead companies to an optimal solution for profit on a free internet. It has happened before. And then again this has very little to do with collecting my personal information.

The biggest complaint I see is privacy. And most people do not like a Big Brother watching over them. But they forget that freedom has a price. and true freedom means the freedom of others to do harm to you.
Ahh, yeah... well, I read your op but didn't watch the vid...  :-\
I am with you on that part. I'm not overly concerned with my personal info being dumped into the big data ocean.
Maybe someday ai will be powerful enough to know what to do with it besides spin its wheels tailoring ads I don't look at... but when that day comes privacy will either have been reaffirmed as a fundamental value, or a distant memory.
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 08:43:05 AM »
The old adage applies. If you aren't paying for the product, you are the product.

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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 12:41:10 PM »
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 12:52:03 PM »
There is effectively free lunch though.  As in, the thing you are giving away has such small value to you that it is effectively nothing.

I consider the SGU Forum to be effectively free lunch.  Also Twitter and Facebook.  And YouTube.  The cost to me of witnessing the horror of targeted advertising is non-zero, but effectively zero.

The closest thing to a "cost" I've faced from Facebook was a targeted ad for business cards minutes after posting a status about my new business cards, and that was actually a benefit as I got to make a joke about it and get some laughs.

Frankly, I prefer targeted advertising over random advertising - the closer they get to honing in on me, the less rage-inducing infowars or reality TV or gossip mag ads I see.  If I'm ignoring ads anyway, I'd rather ignore ads for tabletop miniature games I don't play than for Alex fucking Jones.
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Re: Am I the only one Not bothered by the free internet?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 01:46:23 PM »
There's also a point here to where even if Facebook decided to go with a pay model tomorrow all that investment into targeted ads isn't going to go away. Maybe it never would have existed in the first place if there weren't large, all-encompassing websites out there that weren't largely hidden behind paywalls, but that is the way the Internet evolved and I don't think that's a clock that can be turned back. So go ahead and turn your back on Facebook if it freaks you out... but don't be surprised if Amazon isn't already doing the same, or if Google starts to pay more (anonymous) attention to what you're browsing the web for so as to improve its relationship with you. The only real alternative feels like it's to divorce yourself from the 'Net entirely and that seems like a less than viable option.
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