Author Topic: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier  (Read 4544 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Challengeatheism

  • Banned
  • Off to a Start
  • *
  • Posts: 48
« Last Edit: January 06, 2017, 12:46:02 PM by TheIrreverend »

Offline teethering

  • 37% better than Slick
  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10907
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 08:44:30 PM »
ALSO BANANA!

Offline superdave

  • Stopped Going Outside
  • *******
  • Posts: 4910
  • My name is not dave.
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 09:04:53 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Venter
maybe ask that guy for help.

Offline Sawyer

  • Seasoned Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 769
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 09:07:40 PM »
This was totally something worth starting an account for.  I predict Challengeatheism will be thrilled, THRILLED! with how well his arguments go over with the SGU crowd.

I've got my creationist bingo card ready!

Offline Sawyer

  • Seasoned Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 769
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 09:11:25 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Venter
maybe ask that guy for help.

Based on what I know about Venter being a huge asshole, this means God must have been an even bigger asshole to have created a cell from scratch.  Glad we solved that conundrum. 

Online Friendly Angel

  • Frequent Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 2923
  • Post count reset to zero in both forum apocalypses
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 09:19:12 PM »
This was totally something worth starting an account for.  I predict Challengeatheism will be thrilled, THRILLED! with how well his arguments go over with the SGU crowd.

I've got my creationist bingo card ready!

He'll probably be thrilled to get any attention at all.  His own forum is filled with his own responses to his own posts.
Amend and resubmit.

Offline Crash

  • Keeps Priorities Straight
  • ***
  • Posts: 394
  • Dogspeed John Glenn.
    • What I do for fun
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 09:36:57 PM »
Got a live one here.  I'm disappointed his first post is just a copy and paste.  I tried to read it but it made about as much sense as the Dr Bronners soap bottle. 

Offline Andrew Clunn

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 15349
  • Aspiring Super Villain
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 10:36:52 PM »
So do we just ignore the transitional phases of VHS betamax, film, vinyl, and tape?
(click to show/hide)

Offline teethering

  • 37% better than Slick
  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 10907
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 10:38:26 PM »
I hate myself already :(

Quote
The rules of any communication system are always defined in advance by a process of deliberate choices.

Like the evolution of natural human languages?  Who deliberately decided in advance that the word "meat" is going to change from meaning "food" to "flesh of animals"?

Offline Tassie Dave

  • Well Established
  • *****
  • Posts: 1132
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 10:43:42 PM »

Offline Sawyer

  • Seasoned Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 769
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 10:58:18 PM »
I am almost tempted to pick apart the counter arguments here just so OP can see how to properly hone his BS, but I want to see the hourly rates the Discovery Institute offers first.

Offline Gerbig

  • Frequent Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 2909
  • Stream Crosser
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 11:59:01 PM »
I hope this is at least entertaining, instead of a drive by copy paste.

Offline Tassie Dave

  • Well Established
  • *****
  • Posts: 1132
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 12:54:49 AM »
I'm not holding out much hope of Challengeatheism being up for some civil debate.
As Friendly Angel points out. They are used to working in a vacuum.
Edit: After reading a few threads at Sam Harris' forum, I change my mind. They are up for civil debate. Not sure we can change their mind though. ;)

They just came to educate us and/or stir the pot  ;)
and not only here.
https://www.samharris.org/forum/index.php/viewthread/69137/

Quote
The rules of any communication system are always defined in advance by a process of deliberate choices.

Simple question to the OP: How do you think a believer in evolution thinks that communication as we now know it evolved?

Which came first the chicken or the egg? (j/k  ;) you don't need to answer that one.


« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 01:05:02 AM by Tassie Dave »

Offline The Latinist

  • Cyber Greasemonkey
  • Technical Administrator
  • Frequent Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 3936
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 01:34:45 AM »
I'll bite.  Why must the first self-replicating molecule have contained a plan to build something?  As far as I'm aware, all that is required for evolution to begin is something that can replicate with some rate of imperfection sufficient to create new variations.  From there, selective pressures are sufficient to promote those variations which confer a reproductive advantage.  There need be no plan, no intent, no communication.  Just replication.

All of your other assumptions about language, encoding, communication, etc., are all predicated upon this basic assumption of a plan or intent in the first molecule, so I'll leave them aside for now.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 01:37:00 AM by The Latinist »
I would like to propose...that...it is undesirable to believe in a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. — Bertrand Russell

Offline Desert Fox

  • Poster of Extraordinary Magnitude
  • **********
  • Posts: 14183
  • Hopeful Non-Theist
    • Kitsune's Web Page
Re: Wanna Build a Cell? A DVD Player Might Be Easier
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 04:14:22 AM »
I can answer parts on how a cell evolved. . . .It didn't evolve all at once and there are intervening steps that are gone so we will never no how they exactly happened.

My problem though is how is a high school biology teacher going to be able to answer this when blindsided by it. In addition, it will be even more compelling to your average person who comes across it.

How do we deal with the question in such situations.

Another thought though is if there was a creator who created the cell fully formed, would that creator have to have been more complex. Where did that creator then come from?
"Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith. Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge."
— Robert G. Ingersoll

 

personate-rain
personate-rain