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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1110 on: December 05, 2019, 07:55:30 PM »
Dozens of out-of-control bushfires burn across NSW as conditions expected to worsen

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Wind gusts of up to 80km/h in NSW and temperatures 12C above average in Queensland predicted to fan fires

Thousands of firefighters across New South Wales and Queensland have had another long night battling dozens of fires, with conditions on Friday expected to worsen.

NSW was told to expect wind gusts of 80km/h and high temperatures, and Queensland will likely see temperatures about 12C above average over the next two days, surpassing 40C in the Lockyer Valley and Ipswich.

On Thursday night NSW crews responded to five emergency level fires, including the Currowan fire on the south coast, where a number of buildings were believed to have been destroyed.

By Friday morning the blazes had all been downgraded, with six fires in the state at watch and act levels. Less than half of the 97 active fires were under control.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1111 on: December 05, 2019, 09:20:05 PM »
Ever since I was a kid, we'd have wild burns in the everglades and ash would drop on us.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1112 on: December 05, 2019, 09:56:55 PM »
Ever since I was a kid, we'd have wild burns in the everglades and ash would drop on us.

The scale of the fires that are burning now are unprecedented in this country's history. Three already very large fires just north of Sydney have now combined into one megafire that has already consumed 300,000 hectares. In American, that's 741316.144 acres. The entire NSW coast is ablaze. I mean the entire coastline.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1113 on: December 05, 2019, 10:08:34 PM »
That's as may be but some dead leaves on a porch isn't indication of that.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1114 on: December 05, 2019, 10:25:30 PM »
I don't think you appreciate the scale of what's going on here.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1115 on: December 05, 2019, 10:36:02 PM »
or that those dead leaves, are burnt dead leaves, that are landing in the largest city in Australia.

This fire map is about 2,000 kilometres north to south


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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1116 on: December 05, 2019, 10:46:59 PM »
Remember, Australia is approximately the same physical size as the continental United States. This is like if the fire was burning the coast of Georgia, both Carolinas and Virginia. That's how much coastal distance we're talking about. And that's just NSW. There are fires in Victoria and Queensland as well.

Snow on the mountains in New Zealand is being stained by the smoke and ash.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1117 on: December 05, 2019, 11:08:27 PM »
This fire map is about 2,000 kilometres north to south

So for you imperial unit types, that's just a brisk 333h walk (breaks not included).
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1118 on: December 05, 2019, 11:16:24 PM »
Remember, Australia is approximately the same physical size as the continental United States. This is like if the fire was burning the coast of Georgia, both Carolinas and Virginia. That's how much coastal distance we're talking about. And that's just NSW. There are fires in Victoria and Queensland as well.

Snow on the mountains in New Zealand is being stained by the smoke and ash.

You seem to imagine that I'm doubting the scale of the fires. I'm not. I'm just saying it's not something you can demonstrate with a local phenomenon like your porch. Better to have an actual map like Tassie Dave presented.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1119 on: December 05, 2019, 11:21:32 PM »
This fire map is about 2,000 kilometres north to south

So for you imperial unit types, that's just a brisk 333h walk (breaks not included).

2,000 km is 1242.742 miles.

You seem to imagine that I'm doubting the scale of the fires. I'm not. I'm just saying it's not something you can demonstrate with a local phenomenon like your porch. Better to have an actual map like Tassie Dave presented.

It is indeed hard to convey the scale of what's going on with a single picture. But there are plenty of pictures to choose from.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1120 on: December 05, 2019, 11:42:14 PM »
This fire map is about 2,000 kilometres north to south

So for you imperial unit types, that's just a brisk 333h walk (breaks not included).

2,000 km is 1242.742 miles.

Yup. I'm assuming a pace of about 6km/h, or about 3,7 mi/h. The pace is brisk given the 333 hours, but just push through the "burn", or, well...
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1121 on: December 05, 2019, 11:58:06 PM »
Fun fact: If you are one of the approximately 3,500 people who live in Gosford, your only escape route is by boat. All other land access has been cut off by fire.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1122 on: December 06, 2019, 12:10:20 AM »
That's as may be but some dead leaves on a porch isn't indication of that.
Some charred dead leaves on a porch that has never had that happen before is noteworthy.

Did you also see pictures of Notre Dame burning and think to yourself, "Big deal my campfire makes smoke like that too."?
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1123 on: December 06, 2019, 03:42:10 AM »
More imagery from Australia to flesh out, "increased wildfire frequency and severity."

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #1124 on: December 06, 2019, 06:41:39 AM »
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A teen volunteer with the Rural Fire Service in New South Wales has been charged after allegedly lighting seven fires in the Bega Valley area.

The volunteer firefighter, 19, allegedly lit a fire on Tuesday afternoon next to the Bega river, left the area and returned to fight the fire for the RFS.

He was arrested at a Tarraganda fire shed within two hours of the fire.

The man was charged with causing the fire as well as six others since 17 October
theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/27/teenage-volunteer-firefighter-charged-with-arson-alleged-to-have-lit-seven-nsw-bushfires
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