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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #600 on: June 08, 2019, 08:20:25 PM »
Man, how the fuck are we ever going to tackle this problem if we have to keep fighting uphill battles over gas guzzlers and lightbulbs. I'm not one to have a defeatist attitude on this issue, but some days...

See my answer here, in another Global Warming thread

and Donald Trump is President of the United States.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #601 on: June 09, 2019, 11:14:06 AM »
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WAITROSE TRIALS 'BRING YOUR OWN' CONTAINER SCHEME TO REDUCE PLASTIC WASTE

Waitrose is trialling a "bring your own" container scheme that encourages customers to buy and refill produce.

The supermarket chain, which is part of John Lewis & Partners, will start selling items such as cereals, pasta, coffee and rice in large dispensers as part of the concept, which it hopes will effectively reduce waste from plastic packaging.

Cleaning products and alcohol will also be available through dispensers.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #602 on: June 10, 2019, 07:45:37 AM »
Maybe some good news. I don't know if he is a good or bad person but this is something everybody with money needs to help with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/climate/bloomberg-climate-pledge-coal.html

Michael Bloomberg Promises $500 Million to Help End Coal
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WASHINGTON — Michael R. Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York City, said on Friday he would donate $500 million to a new campaign to close every coal-fired power plant in the United States and halt the growth of natural gas.

The new campaign, called Beyond Carbon, is designed to help eliminate coal by focusing on state and local governments. The effort will bypass Washington, where Mr. Bloomberg has said national action appears unlikely because of a divided Congress and a president who denies the established science of climate change.

“We’re in a race against time with climate change, and yet there is virtually no hope of bold federal action on this issue for at least another two years,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a statement before the announcement, which he made in a commencement address at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “Mother Nature is not waiting on our political calendar, and neither can we.”

President Trump has made reviving what he has called “clean, beautiful coal” a cornerstone of his energy agenda.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #603 on: June 10, 2019, 08:23:43 AM »
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It will fund lobbying efforts by environmental groups — in state legislatures, City Councils and public utility commissions — that aim to close coal plants and replace them with wind, solar and other renewable power. Part of the cash also will go toward efforts to elect local lawmakers who prioritize clean energy.

I guess it's better than nothing, but I was hoping for something more significant, like buying coal plants and shutting them down, or targeting the workers and finding other jobs for them. Instead it's just another lobbying group.

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« Reply #604 on: June 10, 2019, 06:13:38 PM »
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It will fund lobbying efforts by environmental groups — in state legislatures, City Councils and public utility commissions — that aim to close coal plants and replace them with wind, solar and other renewable power. Part of the cash also will go toward efforts to elect local lawmakers who prioritize clean energy.

I guess it's better than nothing, but I was hoping for something more significant, like buying coal plants and shutting them down, or targeting the workers and finding other jobs for them. Instead it's just another lobbying group.

I don't think 500 million will buy many coal plants - Looks like building cost of a new coal plan is about $2 billion. 
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #605 on: June 11, 2019, 07:06:56 PM »
Wow. . . .This is a hell of a milestone to hit. One item is that it sure looks like Trump cannot back a winner.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/11/business/renewable-energy-coal-capacity/index.html

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America's renewable energy capacity is now greater than coal

New York (CNN Business)America's coal industry has already been left in the dust by natural gas. Now it's under immense pressure from the renewable energy boom.

The renewable energy sector had slightly more installed capacity than coal in April, according to a Federal Energy Regulatory Commission report.
SUN DAY Campaign, a nonprofit research group supporting sustainable energy. The breakthrough reflects the plunging cost of solar and wind as well as heightened environmental concern about coal.
"Coal has no technology path," said Jeff McDermott, managing partner at Greentech Capital Advisors, a boutique investment bank focused on clean energy. "It's got nowhere to go but extinction."
The clean energy revolution is on the verge of a tipping point.
Also in April, the renewable energy sector was projected to have generated more electricity than coal, according to a separate report published by the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis. That transition was partially driven by seasonal issues.
At the same time, America has drastically cut back on its appetite for coal. Since peaking in 2008, US coal consumption has plunged 39% to the lowest level in 40 years, according to the US Energy Information Administration.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #606 on: June 13, 2019, 12:41:24 AM »
Article: Climate change drives widespread and rapid thermokarst development in very cold permafrost in the Canadian High Arctic
From: Geophysical Research Letters
Date: 2019 JUN 10

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[...] Observed maximum thaw depths at our sites are already exceeding those projected to occur by 2090 under RCP 4.5.

Key Points:
  • Observed thermokarst development in very cold permafrost at 3 monitoring sites along a 700 km transect in the Canadian High Arctic.
  • Rapid landscape response to above average summer warmth is due to limited thermal buffering from overlying ecosystem components and near‐surface ground ice.
  • Change was greatest at Mould Bay where thawing index values were 240 % above historic normals causing ~90 cm of subsidence in 12 years.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #607 on: June 14, 2019, 04:46:00 AM »
Article: Climate change drives widespread and rapid thermokarst development in very cold permafrost in the Canadian High Arctic
From: Geophysical Research Letters
Date: 2019 JUN 10

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[...] Observed maximum thaw depths at our sites are already exceeding those projected to occur by 2090 under RCP 4.5.

Key Points:
  • Observed thermokarst development in very cold permafrost at 3 monitoring sites along a 700 km transect in the Canadian High Arctic.
  • Rapid landscape response to above average summer warmth is due to limited thermal buffering from overlying ecosystem components and near‐surface ground ice.
  • Change was greatest at Mould Bay where thawing index values were 240 % above historic normals causing ~90 cm of subsidence in 12 years.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #608 on: June 16, 2019, 01:35:04 AM »
Looks like the start of another bad year for Greenland:





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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #609 on: June 16, 2019, 11:18:05 PM »
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #610 on: June 17, 2019, 01:35:43 PM »
I don't understand some things, but at least I know I don't know

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #611 on: June 17, 2019, 02:28:52 PM »
In many ways that is a population density map, possibly weighted by how much trash and coal people burn. But I'm guessing some of that is rainforests being burned.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #612 on: June 18, 2019, 12:26:27 AM »
Man, this thread is fucking depressing.

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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #613 on: June 18, 2019, 12:37:32 AM »
Was listening to Econtalk (a Libertarian-focused interview show) last week when they had Bjorn Lomborg on.

http://www.econtalk.org/bjorn-lomborg-on-the-costs-and-benefits-of-attacking-climate-change/

I don't really follow climate change news that closely but I'm guessing Lomborg is a well known climate change skeptic?

Though perhaps "skeptic" isn't the correct term since he seems to acknowledge that it's happening but that it's not that big of a deal.

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Bjorn Lomborg: So, I think the first thing to really realize is that I'm not talking about this as me. I'm simply trying to take some of the best people who have been working on this, typically with the U.N. Climate Panel [United Nations IPCC, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]. So, when you are asking what is my assessment, I'm simply answering: What is it that the U.N. Climate Panel is telling us. Because, I'm just working in economics. I'm not the science guy who has been looking at this. There's lots of economists who have been looking at this. What they find is: Global warming is a problem; it's not the end of the world. By the 2070s, the net impact of global warming will be somewhere between the equivalent of 0.2 and 2% of GDP [Gross Domestic Product]. So, it's the equivalent of probably 1 recession over the next 50 years. By the end of the century, unmitigated global warming might cost somewhere between 2 and 4% of global GDP. Remember: by then we'll probably be somewhere between 5 and 10 times richer; so, out of a 1000% increase, we'll still have to pay 2 to 4%. That's certainly a problem: certainly not the end of the world.
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Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Reply #614 on: June 18, 2019, 12:32:52 PM »
Fun with numbers! Libertarians are god damned idiots.

 

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