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Offline Nemmzy

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The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« on: February 09, 2017, 05:04:13 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/opinion/how-the-anti-vaxxers-are-winning.html?_r=1

Christ I need to just walk away from the News for bit.

How does that Sagan quote from the Demon-Haunted World go?

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 06:45:45 PM »
That is a scary looking map and it is only going to get worse for the next few years. Those are almost third world rates.

Australia has got our Vaccination rate up to 93%, by hitting the anti-vaxxers where it hurts. The hip pocket.
Parents of kids that are not fully immunised can't access the Family Tax Benefit. Which can be worth thousands of $ to the average family.
It won't sway the totally committed anti-vaxxers, but it is enough to change the minds of those on the fence or those just blasé or lazy.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 08:10:17 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/opinion/how-the-anti-vaxxers-are-winning.html?_r=1

Christ I need to just walk away from the News for bit.

How does that Sagan quote from the Demon-Haunted World go?

I need a drink?
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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2017, 09:04:06 PM »
Science, logic, skepticism has always been an uphill battle.

We sell cold hard, sometimes low on hope realism.
The woo peddlers sell certainty, hope, an easy, quick, wonderful cure to whatever you may have.

Most people rely on what feels good over what is correct and logical, and unfortunately the "dont put a needle full of chemicals into my baby" appeals to more people than the cold statistics of preventable diseases being prevented by a vaccination.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2017, 09:53:13 PM »
It is horrible when we need deaths to wake people up.
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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 08:16:04 PM »
Maybe we need some kind of wall to keep unvaccinated Americans from spreading diseases.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2017, 01:02:32 PM »
Given Mexico's extremely high vaccination rate, that might be one way Trump could convince them to build the wall...
The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better...is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 11:31:19 AM »
People die every day for all kinds of reasons.  If people don't want to trust science and let their kids die, then so be it.  Once a few kids die due to not being vaccinated, then the message of vaccinations will be loud and clear.  Sorry innocent children, but your parents are morons. *shrug*
Similarly, this Trump election was a wake up call for American politics.  Everybody and their pet is following politics now compared to tumbleweeds a year and a half ago.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 12:59:31 PM »
People die every day for all kinds of reasons.  If people don't want to trust science and let their kids die, then so be it.  Once a few kids die due to not being vaccinated, then the message of vaccinations will be loud and clear.  Sorry innocent children, but your parents are morons. *shrug*
It's not just their kids who die, though.
The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better...is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 06:31:38 PM »
So, how do we reach people that don't care?
How do we reach people that care, but distrust science?
How do we reach people that have been seduced by charismatic woo merchants?

How do we talk to these people so that they will actually listen and learn?


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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 11:27:06 AM »
Make em watch the BBC

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 09:54:49 AM »
Given Mexico's extremely high vaccination rate, that might be one way Trump could convince them to build the wall...

If they're vaccinated, why would they need to?
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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 10:06:16 AM »
To keep disease-ridden Americans from illegally crossing the border to take advantage of Mexico's healthcare services.
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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 10:30:24 AM »
Given Mexico's extremely high vaccination rate, that might be one way Trump could convince them to build the wall...

If they're vaccinated, why would they need to?

Not every person vaccinated is immune, because vaccination doesn't always take. Or it doesn't make you 100% resistant. Some vaccines are much further from 100% than others. And not everyone can be vaccinated, because of allergies, or being too young, or having a compromised immune system.

So introduce a bunch of unvaccinated people to a population with high vaccination rates, and they will still present a significant risk. It's why many schools ban those who aren't vaccinated. And it's why we need herd immunity, and for vaccination rates to be as high as possible, to make coverage as complete as possible, especially for the most vulnerable among us.

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Re: The Anti Vaccers are Winning
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 01:00:51 PM »
It is horrible when we need deaths to wake people up.

It was a hideous outbreak of measles in Wales that started an new immunisation trend.

 

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