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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2017, 06:03:34 PM »
Here is another pilot who will have a discussion with the Aviation Authorities (and the chief pilot). A Dash-8 has a rough landing, causing the right gear to collapse:

That looked like a good landing to me. (As in "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing")
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2017, 11:18:36 AM »
Looks like he got wacked by a gust of wind at the last minute.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2017, 11:25:31 AM »
Not enough information in that video to really say whether or not it was a pilot issue or a mechanical issue or a weather issue, or some combination of all three.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2017, 01:15:06 PM »
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2017, 04:46:07 PM »
Harrison Ford says he was concerned about turbulence from a nearby airliner when he landed on airport taxiway - LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-harrison-ford-landing-20170324-story.html

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“I’m the schmuck who landed on the taxiway,” Ford told the tower shortly after touching down in his single-engine Aviat Husky on Feb. 13. “I was distracted by the airliner in moving when I turned into the runway and the wake turbulence by the Airbus.”
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“Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?” Ford asked the tower.
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“I landed on Taxiway Charlie?”
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“Oohhh. I landed on Taxiway Charlie. I understand now. Sorry for that.”
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“Boring conversation, anyway.”
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2017, 08:46:43 AM »
I kinda respect that he "owned" his mistake from the get go.

Accepting responsibility for one's mistakes is depressingly rare these days.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2017, 11:50:49 AM »
I kinda respect that he "owned" his mistake from the get go.

Although his explanation for being distracted was pretty lame.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2017, 12:25:39 AM »
The explanation was probably honest and factual. The fact that those circumstances were enough to confuse him is what's lame.


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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2017, 02:11:10 AM »
The explanations for most accidents are pretty lame.

Why did you hit that pedestrian?

Err... I didn't see them.

Why didn't you see them?

I don't know - I guess I must have been looking somewhere else at the time.

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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2017, 02:28:56 AM »
The explanation was probably honest and factual. The fact that those circumstances were enough to confuse him is what's lame.


I don't know if they were probably factual or not.  The stated reasons are lame either way. 

Consider his first claim: he was distracted by the airliner, which was taxiing.  So, because, he was distracted by it he overflew it and landed beyond it?  Huh?

Consider his second claim: he was distracted by the tower saying "Caution, wake turbulence."  First of all, that is a routine warning.  Secondly, it should make you more aware of your glidepath and touchdown point, not less.  Third, the jet about which the warning was given wasn't even landing on Ford's runway.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2017, 11:40:52 PM »
It seems that Harrison Ford got away with it:
http://deadline.com/2017/04/harrison-ford-plane-near-miss-orange-county-airport-1201911767/


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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #71 on: April 04, 2017, 12:01:26 AM »
It seems that Harrison Ford got away with it:
http://deadline.com/2017/04/harrison-ford-plane-near-miss-orange-county-airport-1201911767/


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Does the FAA completely miss the point?  It's not whether he deserves disciplinary action.  It's whether he is fit to fly.
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2017, 08:13:40 AM »

Does the FAA completely miss the point?  It's not whether he deserves disciplinary action.  It's whether he is fit to fly.

It's not universal, but the general feeling in the aviation community is that this was a good outcome.

The FAA has had a general move towards corrective rather than punitive action for inadvertent mistakes. I'm sure they did look closely at his abilities and treated him as they would have any run-of-the mill pilot.

NASA developed an Aviation Safety Reporting System where a pilot can send in an untraceable report of actions and situations that could aid in safety. I'll dig up a link and you can see some examples. Filing one of these renders the pilot immune from enforcement action, with certain limitations. I don't know if Ford filed one here, but I would have in his situation.

As an aside, to date I've filed just one - I misread airspace warnings on my GPS and found myself within the airspace of an Air Force base near Little Rock, AR and not talking with the tower. Never heard anything back about it - like Ford, admitting the mistake and explaining the circumstances around it can help a lot.

Here's that link, with reports grouped into topics:

https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/reportsets.html
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Re: Why is Harrison Ford still flying?
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »
The company and FAA I has the same sort of deal with Maintenance. We can file a report and if it is accepted(key point) then we are not prosecuted. The reason is that this way the Mechanic can come forward with no fear of prosecution and explain exactly what happened and what they did wrong. Then the FAA and the company will work out how to prevent this from happening again. It's a good program.
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