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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2017, 03:20:50 PM »
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2017, 04:03:21 PM »
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
Colbert plays a satire, he's not pretending to be a right winger for the character. Part of the satire is the conscious separation through the jokes. It would be much harder to play the character of Hannity or Limbaugh day in and day out because it's not a parody and there's not laugh lines and deadpan jokes.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2017, 07:27:17 AM »
I don't know whether he's playing a character. But there are people who play horrific characters in front of an audience for hours at a time, because they make money off of it, and seemingly don't care about the damage they cause. Like Peter Popoff.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2017, 09:33:28 AM »
What makes you think Peter Popoff isn't just being the terrible person that he is?
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2017, 10:35:18 AM »
Didn't say he wasn't terrible person out of character, but he's also proven to be fraudulent.
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2017, 11:10:07 AM »
Being a fraud is not the same as playing a fraud.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2017, 11:49:08 AM »
See the Karma thread, or whatever it was we decided to call it. Today he is asking the press to respect his privacy. That said, I suspect the wife knew he was an asshole when she married him. I never understand that.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2017, 01:17:30 PM »
...... That said, I suspect the wife knew he was an asshole when she married him. I never understand that.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2017, 01:05:58 AM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2017, 01:43:09 PM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2017, 02:39:38 PM »
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
Colbert plays a satire, he's not pretending to be a right winger for the character. Part of the satire is the conscious separation through the jokes. It would be much harder to play the character of Hannity or Limbaugh day in and day out because it's not a parody and there's not laugh lines and deadpan jokes.
A close friend and I used to make ironically racist and sexist jokes to each other when no one was around and we were watching movies together.
Like for example making fun of the fact that the black guy would always die first in horror movies or how asians are never as good at martial arts as americans.

It was a few years before I realised he had actually internalised these jokes and he would start arguing as to why it was funny but also kind of true.

Just one instance of course but I stopped making those jokes with anyone.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2017, 09:03:10 PM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2017, 09:34:24 PM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2017, 10:33:53 AM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.

Agreed.
Which is worse? The liar or the lunatic?

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2017, 10:58:25 AM »
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.

Agreed.
Which is worse? The liar or the lunatic?
I would call the latter a mental illness, though a dangerous one in this case. I am increasingly putting Trump in this category.  He was once just a liar, but I think he is losing his grip on reality.

I am reminded of split brain tests, where the patient just makes stuff up from one side of the brain to explain the other side. But the patient is convinced of his/her rationality.
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