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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #285 on: May 08, 2018, 07:18:38 PM »
I am probably misunderstanding the situation.

I think Alex Jones was given custody of the children while the overall custody battle is ongoing.  His ex is trying to get sole custody

I don't think his personal life is relevant to InfoWars - if his son is interested in the program and wants to follow his father in a very successful business then more power to him - there are many reasons to gain or lose custody. His wife has agreed that he believes most of the content that he produces on the show but if that is the reason for his losing custody then anyone with fringe ideas could lose their children.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #286 on: May 09, 2018, 03:49:14 AM »
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #287 on: May 09, 2018, 06:09:01 AM »
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #288 on: May 09, 2018, 05:54:19 PM »
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #289 on: May 09, 2018, 06:43:13 PM »
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.

Alex Jones is earnest in his belief of conspiracies and the government lying about events to a level far beyond almost anyone else and his wife has confirmed that. The 'character' is the skits and rants are there for entertainment value - InfoWars is a business that sells supplements and takes an alternative view about events which many people find entertaining. Using this to assassinate his character sound like the morality police being a bit too eager or, worse, people using his personal conflicts to inflict political wounds.

Alex Jones knew what he signed up for so I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for him but I do think it is reprehensible to engage in this type of attack (even though this is Alex Jones' bread and butter).
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #290 on: May 10, 2018, 09:31:16 AM »
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.

Alex Jones is earnest in his belief of conspiracies and the government lying about events to a level far beyond almost anyone else and his wife has confirmed that. The 'character' is the skits and rants are there for entertainment value - InfoWars is a business that sells supplements and takes an alternative view about events which many people find entertaining. Using this to assassinate his character sound like the morality police being a bit too eager or, worse, people using his personal conflicts to inflict political wounds.

Alex Jones knew what he signed up for so I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for him but I do think it is reprehensible to engage in this type of attack (even though this is Alex Jones' bread and butter).

Calm down, snowflake, it's a contested divorce and even otherwise reasonable and rational people often do despicable and reprehensible things. No one is attacking Jones, they're simply pointing out what's come out in public regarding his divorce.

It's Jones, by the way, who has made it hard to tell what part of his show is earnest and what part is an act. He's the one who's blurred the lines. His ex is simply using that against him in their divorce. Maybe she actually can't tell what's real and what's fake. Maybe he can't either, anymore.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #291 on: May 15, 2018, 05:49:10 PM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

Colbert's Comedy Central show was obvious tongue in cheek satire of a recognizable type of political pundit. Colbert relied on scripted jokes that were specially crafted to point out the absurdity of right-wing talking points by twisting their logic beyond the breaking point. His "conservative pundit" persona was calculated to give the appearance of a lack of self-unawareness, but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 

Most importantly, Colbert did not use his show to hawk conspiracy literature, financial scams and doomsday prepper merchandise, and use his own voice to shill for those products. 

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #292 on: May 15, 2018, 08:23:07 PM »
And, of course, there's also the basic observation that the Colbert Report was on Comedy Central.

Of course, Cartoon Network frequently shows live action movies with no animation heritage, and the History Channel has all-out fictional programming.

And when was the last time Fox News actually covered canidae vulpis information?

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #293 on: May 23, 2018, 04:38:58 PM »
I know whose side I'm on...


6 Sandy Hook Families, FBI Agent Sue Alex Jones For Defamation

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Family members of six victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, filed a defamation lawsuit on Wednesday against Jones, who for years has peddled the false conspiracy theory that the massacre never happened. FBI agent William Aldenburg, who was among those responding to the shooting in which 26 people were killed, joined the suit, which was obtained by HuffPost.
The suit also names Jones’ Infowars contributor Wolfgang Halbig and Halbig’s associate, Cory Sklanka. It was filed by attorney Josh Koskoff of the Bridgeport, Connecticut-based law firm Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder.
Part of Jones’ false narrative has been that interviews of Sandy Hook parents conducted by CNN were fake.
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« Reply #294 on: August 02, 2018, 08:15:49 AM »
The evidence is oddly persuasive.

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Digging Deep Into the Only Conspiracy Alex Jones Doesn't Like

Deep in the heart of the internet exists a bat-shit theory that annoys the piss out of the Conspiracy King—that he is actually Bill Hicks.


This article first appeared on VICE Canada.

I hate patriotism. I can't stand it, man—makes me fuckin' sick. It's a round world last time I checked. - Bill Hicks


Bill Hicks was the angry voice of reason for the disenfranchised and foul mouthed street criminals of his time—he was the man who smoked in the face of cancer. If you don't know who Bill Hicks was, do yourself a favour, click into a new tab, Google the comedian, and watch everything he ever did as the man was a savant imo (then come back and read the rest of this article, please.)

Sadly though, the world only got to listen to his ramblings for a mere 16-years as he died from pancreatic cancer in 1994 at the young age of 32, however, in his short time above ground Hicks proved to be one of the most influential comics of all time. And as with any well known person who dies young—especially a controversial one—rumours have run rampant following his death.

In the case of Hicks' death, none of those rumours are more prolific, and bizarre, than the notion that Hicks faked his death to become conspiracy monger Alex Jones. A quick Google search will bring you to hundreds of blog posts on the topic and self made videos crowd youtube as theorist attempt to further the conspiracy. While it's truly an intense amount of crazy, the idea has lived on the internet so long that—apart from the true believers—it has become an in-joke for redditors, channers, and a rogue crew of Alex Jones fans (potato-men?).

Most importantly though, this conspiracy seems to really fucking annoy Alex Jones—a 9/11 truther who has spread the notion that the kids killed in Sandy Hook were actors and the Quebec mosque shooting was a false flag attack.

"I'm sick of hearing about Bill Hicks," lamented Jones on a recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience. "It hurts me that they're so dumb, they don't know I'm my own person, Alex Jones."

So, with that annoyance in mind, why don't we take an in-depth look at the theory?

The idea's first major appearance on the web was in 2006 in thread posts form on the forums Godlike Productions and Doppelganger and Identity Research Society. The theory, like all good conspiracies, is fractured as hell, so in order to explain I'm going to attempt to compile the most widely "accepted" ideas. First things first, the question of why Hicks decided to give up the possibility of being the voice of a generation to become a potatoman by the name of Alex Emerick Jones.

One massive branch of the theory revolves around a man named Kevin Booth. Booth's production company, Sacred Cow Productions, was behind comedy films for the likes of Hicks, Rogan, and Stanhope—and Booth also produced Hicks' posthumous comedy records. It was co-founded by Hicks and Booth in the early 90s but, since the comedian's death, it's one shining star has been, you guessed it, Alex Fuckin' Jones. So, long story short, many believe that Booth is actually the man with the plan who had Hicks switch up characters much like in pro wrestling.

Another widely held explanation by the theorists on why Hicks decided to play the character of Alex Jones full time is, well, they say Jones is a CIA disinfo agent put into the AM shock jock scene to discredit actual radio hosts. Here's a portion of a popular blog post explaining it:


         
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Evidence indicates that Bill Hicks transitioned himself into a new 'right wing' talk-radio conspiracy-minded shock jock just as some in government were raising the alarm about Timothy McVeigh 'lone wolf' type domestic terrorists being inspired by AM radio talk jocks. Also it was the advent of the brand-new internet-era and so the timing was perfect to insert a glib provoking-agent into the 'alternative media' scene— someone who could get out front and the lead patriotic Americans around in circles. And so Bill Hicks apparently went to work for the CIA— transforming himself into Alex Jones, the new 'info-warrior'.

In order to become a new man, the theorists posit that he utilized "plastic surgery, testosterone, growth hormone, larynx surgery, and cosmetics." However, the one thing that people freak out about is that Jones and Hicks seemingly have similar teeth (seriously, a lot of work has gone into proving they have the teeth thing,) they have also done vocal comparisons and believe Jones' voice is the same as one Hicks used, at times, in his comedy.


Some dude even made a gif about the teeth! Photo via dublinsmickdotcom

There is, of course, the bonkers list of reasons that are IRREFUTABLE PROOF that the two are one man, this includes them having similar moles, having similar heights and facial profiles, people mistakenly calling the host "Bill" on-air, Jones' jocular references to himself as Hicks, the fact that Jones came out of nowhere for his first radio show in 1996, and, shit you not, the idea that Jones' middle name, Emerick, is the taken from Geoff Emerick the—Beatles producer who "killed Paul."

The Jones/Hicks truthers have also gone to the uncomfortable level of insanity of digging through Jones' birth certificate and other documents to see if it they're fake—which considering Alex Jones' role in the birther movement, is actually pretty fucking funny. The theory has even climbed the wonderful meta peak only certain conspiracies are able to ascend, with some theorists musing about the idea Jones may have started and propagated the theory himself to discredit accurate conspiracies about him.

But, perhaps the main driver of Jones' annoyance with the whole goddamn thing is the idea that the little potatoman looks far older than he is. Jones is currently 43 years-old while Bill Hicks would have been 55-years-old and the theorists are convinced Jones looks far older than he says he is—which is kind of insulting, I guess.



Yeah, I get how this would annoy him. Photo via dublinsmickdotcom

There are some similarities, the two are both are immensely intense on the mic, share a little bit of a similarity in looks, both are from Texas, and Hicks did tend to enjoy a conspiracy theory. However, with the recent change in Jones' politics the two now exist on drastically different poles politically.

While at the beginning of his career, Jones didn't have a hard time seeing conspiracies on both sides of the political spectrum—much like Hicks—as of late, Jones has giddied up to the nationalistic establishment by softly nuzzling Trump with the warm kindness of an old dog looking for his owner's hidden peanut butter. This, frankly is something that one would have a hard time seeing a consummate hater of the state like Bill Hicks do.

Still, though, despite it being utter bullshit, the conspiracy is so prolific that people will, sometimes in public, only address Jones as Bill or come up to him in restaurants and repeat Hicks name until Jones looks at them. With that apparently happening all the time, Jones said he's straight-up done with the conspiracy and furthermore, he said it annoys the family of the great comedian.

"Bill Hicks is in the ground folks," said Jones on his radio show in 2014. "Kevin [Booth] was there when he died. This isn't funny, this is sick."

Overall, the theory is, for lack of a better term, banana-pants crazy-town, and Jones is right—the notion that Hicks never truly died is disrespectful to the late great Hicks and his family, and it's good that Jones can see that.

It's just a shame the man doesn't extend that same respect to the 20 kids shot dead in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7evqv/digging-deep-into-the-only-conspiracy-alex-jones-doesnt-like

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #295 on: August 02, 2018, 09:07:48 AM »
Wait a second... Bill Hicks and Alex Jones both had teeth and hands??? This changes everything. :)

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #296 on: August 02, 2018, 09:40:03 AM »
Chubby sweaty white guys all look alike to me.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #297 on: August 02, 2018, 10:41:54 AM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

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« Reply #298 on: August 02, 2018, 06:05:49 PM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

I think that the longer his show ran, the less of this effect there was.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #299 on: August 02, 2018, 07:40:47 PM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.

 

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