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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #300 on: August 02, 2018, 07:55:42 PM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.

It wasn't just teenagers and twentysomethings.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #301 on: August 02, 2018, 07:58:43 PM »
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.

It wasn't just teenagers and twentysomethings.

How do you know? Did you read the study? Were the ages of the respondents listed in the demographic data?

The vast majority of college students at state universities are teenagers and twentysomethings.

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #302 on: August 02, 2018, 08:02:09 PM »
How do you know?

Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #303 on: August 02, 2018, 08:10:27 PM »
Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.

I expect you to at least have read the academic paper under discussion, before you purport to lecture me about its contents.

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« Reply #304 on: August 02, 2018, 08:33:08 PM »
Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.

I expect you to at least have read the academic paper under discussion, before you purport to lecture me about its contents.

The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.
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« Reply #305 on: August 02, 2018, 09:06:08 PM »
It was a poll of college students, hence my "teenagers and twentysomethings" comment.

I wasn't arguing against the conclusion of the alleged study.

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« Reply #306 on: August 02, 2018, 09:25:20 PM »
It was a poll of college students, hence my "teenagers and twentysomethings" comment.

I wasn't arguing against the conclusion of the alleged study.

Yes, I understand, and I accept your mild rebuke with good grace. I was not referring specifically to that paper when I made the comment, but I certainly did not make that clear at the time.
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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #307 on: August 08, 2018, 10:47:38 AM »
The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.

Here is a link to the Colbert paper. This is the only link I found that is not behind a paywall.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire

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Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
« Reply #308 on: August 08, 2018, 09:20:44 PM »
The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.

Here is a link to the Colbert paper. This is the only link I found that is not behind a paywall.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire

Thanks for that. I notice that the results were gathered from an online survey of 332 people, which isn't great, but it's an interesting paper nontheless.
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« Reply #309 on: August 09, 2018, 01:50:09 PM »
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.
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« Reply #310 on: August 09, 2018, 06:06:01 PM »
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40. There was an interesting piece of demographic information about their self-reported political inclinations, though:

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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.
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« Reply #311 on: August 10, 2018, 05:14:23 PM »
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40.

What's the distribution curve of that age range?

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« Reply #312 on: August 10, 2018, 05:15:57 PM »
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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.

Maybe for people of our age, but it seems about right for a youthful population.

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« Reply #313 on: August 12, 2018, 09:54:11 PM »
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40.

What's the distribution curve of that age range?
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« Reply #314 on: August 14, 2018, 11:24:13 AM »
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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.

Maybe for people of our age, but it seems about right for a youthful population.

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