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Offline Ah.hell

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Re: "Flops" that are actually pretty good
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2017, 05:36:38 PM »
I forgot, Dark City, one of my favorite movies.  Budget 27 million, box office 27.2.

Has anyone mentioned Blade Runner, Box office Budget 28, box office 33.  That one is definitely better remembered than its original release would indicate.

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2017, 05:44:50 PM »
1941 -- The first of Spielberg's seven WWII era movies. Loved it!
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2017, 06:26:20 PM »
I forgot, Dark City, one of my favorite movies.  Budget 27 million, box office 27.2.

Has anyone mentioned Blade Runner, Box office Budget 28, box office 33.  That one is definitely better remembered than its original release would indicate.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2017, 06:56:09 PM »
I really like The Adventures of Baron Von Munchhausen. I just cant watch it and not think its delightful.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2017, 07:31:30 PM »
Dredd was great, and I'm usually a cynic about movies like this. Considering any films marketing will be double it's budget, making less than its budget theatrically makes it a flop.

My understanding is that at least part of a budget is to make a movie look like a flop so they don't have to pay the actors anything extra. The film studio might have actually made some money which they keeping private.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 07:33:58 PM »
I like to watch Cutthroat Island as an existential horror flick where Geena Davis is barely fighting off a nervous breakdown, resulting from the realization that this film is going to kill her career.
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 07:49:19 PM »
I actually like Cutthroat Island unironically.  And Waterworld.
Sahara I enjoyed, being a fan of the book. It was different, to be sure. It being a flop and Cussler being a dick killed chances of more films.
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Re: "Flops" that are actually pretty good
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2017, 07:50:29 PM »
Dredd was great, and I'm usually a cynic about movies like this. Considering any films marketing will be double it's budget, making less than its budget theatrically makes it a flop.

My understanding is that at least part of a budget is to make a movie look like a flop so they don't have to pay the actors anything extra. The film studio might have actually made some money which they keeping private.
There is a ton of creative accounting going on. Every film is basically a mini-startup company and they write everything off as a loss whenever possible. This does help them somewhat with backend payments, but it also helps their taxes too. They will willingly chase a $500,000 tax credit for producing something in Louisiana for instance, that's how insane they are about profitability. But yeah basically the less they earn on paper the less they pay out. It's a multi-billion dollar industry run on the backs of unpaid interns. It's complete insanity.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2017, 08:02:31 PM »
From this list I can pick out a few movies I thought were quite enjoyable:

Treasure Planet -- hits all the right notes of Treasure Island set in space.
Ali -- I thought it was a very good biopic.
Sphere -- not great, but not terrible sci-fi with some surprisingly big names.
Lolita -- decent adaptation.
Hudson Hawk  -- very fun movie, too bad it bombed.

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2017, 08:20:27 PM »
I enjoyed Hudson Hawk. And still get nostalgia from it, but its a different experience when I watch it as an adult.

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 10:39:36 AM »
1941 -- The first of Spielberg's seven WWII era movies. Loved it!

His only comedy.
It's good and while he can inject good comic bits into his action/adventure and fantasy movies, I can see why this flopped--or why he never went back to comedy. It's funny, but he doesn't quite pace the comedy through a full comedy as well as he does his other talents.

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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2017, 10:44:04 AM »
I enjoyed Hudson Hawk, not nearly as bad as was widely believed. 

I enjoyed 1941 but understand why if failed.   It was an odd mishmash of elements.  Almost felt like a series of sketches rather than a coherent story but it wasn't.  Some parodies of old time movie with very contemporary sensibilities.   I get why people didn't get it as a whole.

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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2017, 11:00:32 AM »
I'm seeing webpages listing the following as "flops"

Wizard of Oz
Iron Giant
The Big Lebowski
Blade Runner
Dazed and Confused
Office Space
Citizen Kane
Brazil

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I think all of those range from very good to excellent.

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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2017, 01:30:47 PM »
One I really like The Phanton with Billy Zane.
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2017, 03:28:30 PM »
Krull is another one that comes to mind. Love that film.
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