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Offline jd_rollins

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Interesting site about reversing myopia
« on: March 29, 2017, 11:49:31 AM »

I came across this site ( http://endmyopia.org/ ) which is created by a guy who reversed his myopia from -5.0 diopters to having 20/20 vision. Since then he has supposedly helped thousands of people reverse their myopia as well. 

Initially skeptical, but the more I explore, I like his scientific approach.  He shows how to monitor your progress and encourages people to report on their own experiences and progress on this facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/560893680770705/

The gist of it is simple.  You need to challenge your eyes by letting them focus on things that are just barely on the edge of blur.  For example you can hold a book just far enough away until the text barely starts to get blurry.  Then let your eyes focus on it until it becomes clear.  It might seem hard at first but it does eventually happen.  It helps to have a slightly weaker prescription to do this.

He posts a lot of interesting videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEhYxefHylpSgoiXDWcBrlA

A funny tidbit: he likes to mention that he owns a lot of stock in the optometry industry.  His reason is that in his experience, most people don't care.  They either don't think it's possible, prefer wearing glasses because they're stylish, or in the case of probably most of us, we tend to gravitate towards the "quick fix".


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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 12:28:36 PM »
Initially skeptical, but the more I explore, I like his scientific approach.  He shows how to monitor your progress and encourages people to report on their own experiences and progress on this facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/560893680770705/
Sounds like anecdotal evidence and testimonials which are common ways to sell quackery. 

This particular description doesn't sound that different than the bates method really.  Which has long been debunked. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 07:40:37 PM »
Yeah, sounds like quackery to me. Eye exercises can help for "lazy eye," when one eye does not focus well. But the human eye has muscles which bring the focal point in (which can be strengthened by exercise). It does not have muscles to push the focal point out. Thus exercises might help for presbyopia, but not for myopia. And even for presbyopia, there are limits because as the eye ages, the lens becomes stiff, making it harder and harder to bring the focal point in, which is why old people need reading glasses, unless they have just the right amount of myopia.
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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 08:16:03 PM »
Millions of people go without glasses all the time. I've been without them for over a month at one point. My eyes didn't correct themselves.
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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 11:28:01 AM »
Sounds like anecdotal evidence and testimonials

kind of.  The facebook group is mostly people just helping each other and sharing their experiences.  I've been reading stuff there for a month and they all seem like real people with earnest and thoughtful conversations.  I think there's even a couple optometrists there too.


common ways to sell quackery. 

yeah.  One thing that impressed me here is it seems like he's not trying to profit from it.  All the info and resources are offered for free.  Some people do pay him for extra hand holding in one-on-one sessions but he encourages you to just do it on your own and says straight up that there's no reason to ever pay him anything.


This particular description doesn't sound that different than the bates method really.

To me it seems quite different.  The bates method is about doing certain exercises that are mostly meant to relax your eye muscles.  This other technique is based on the fact that eyes naturally respond to stimuli.

I have my own little anecote actually about the bates method.  I read a book about the bates method a while back and since then my eyes actually did go from getting worse every year to getting better every year.  I can't give credit to the bates method as I was too lazy to do the exercises LOL.  The bates method require taking time out of your day to do these exercises that to me didn't really seem that natural.  But in a weird way I think I benefited from the book because it inspired me to wear glasses less which in my case helped.  Not sure why in some people it helps and not in others.

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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 11:39:56 AM »
Millions of people go without glasses all the time. I've been without them for over a month at one point. My eyes didn't correct themselves.

That's kind of consistent with my experience too because I've never noticed any change in that short of time.  My eyes have been correcting themselves but at a slow rate.  Only 0.25 diopters per year which is really hard to notice until you get an exam.  One thing that is emphasized on this new site is that your eyes aren't likely to improve much if any if you don't challenge them by looking at things that are just slightly blurry and focus until they become clear.  One thing that will supposedly prevent improvement is if you just let your eyes get used to the blur. 
Also, the fastest they can improve is supposedly about 1 diopter per year which can seem really slow or really fast depending on your point of view I guess.  When people's eyes get worse it's usually over a long period of time as well.

One thing about the millions of people that that go without glasses all the time is that their eyes don't keep getting worse.  At least not on the scale of those of us who do a lot of up close stuff, reading, computer work, iphones, etc.  Just my own experience but people I know who work outside, if they wear glasses at all, their prescription is very weak, like 1 diopter or less.  Engineers I know usually wear at least 3 to even 6 or 8 diopters meaning they need glasses to read something right in front of their face.  I'm closer to the latter at about 3 diopters.



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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 11:59:06 AM »
The following is an anecdote:

I went to about a -5 at 12 or 13.  I'm currently at a -5.50 30+ years later.  Glasses haven't made my eyes worse.  My vision went from no noticeable problem to -5 in a year or two.  Hard to tell really. 

The science is pretty clear that spending a lot of time outside will prevent or slow myopia.  The competing theories were exposure to UV or focusing on things far away.  My understanding is that the evidence currently leans towards UV.  So, there is that. 

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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2017, 12:42:24 PM »
I went from 20-400 and several diopters of astigmatism (basically able to read the big E at the top of the chart, though I was never sure whether I was reading it or remembering it) to very nearly 20-20 and only about half a diopter of astigmatism in one eye, pretty much overnight in my left eye, and then, two weeks later, pretty much overnight in the right eye. I didn't use any of the above methods.

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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2017, 12:59:14 PM »
The following is an anecdote:

I went to about a -5 at 12 or 13.  I'm currently at a -5.50 30+ years later.  Glasses haven't made my eyes worse.  My vision went from no noticeable problem to -5 in a year or two.  Hard to tell really. 


wow, that's an interesting data point, going from 20/20 to -5 in just 2 years and then leveling off.  One thing about the "do glasses make your eyes worse debate" is I think it's too simplistic.  Trying to take in both sides I've come to believe that if you get glasses to help you see distance and you only use them for distance then there's no problem.  That's what they're made for.  But it does seem to have a negative affect if you use those same glasses for reading books or other close up stuff that you at the time saw clearly without glasses.  I'm convinced that's what happened to me albeit without facts of course to be 100% sure.



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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »
I went from 20-400 and several diopters of astigmatism (basically able to read the big E at the top of the chart, though I was never sure whether I was reading it or remembering it) to very nearly 20-20 and only about half a diopter of astigmatism in one eye, pretty much overnight in my left eye, and then, two weeks later, pretty much overnight in the right eye. I didn't use any of the above methods.
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wow.  glad it worked out at least :)

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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2017, 02:09:39 PM »
Isn't it pretty well established that peoples eyes change over time?  If people's eyes change randomly over time, then there's going to be a ton of people whose eyesight gets better when trying those exercise just by random chance and people whose eyesight stays the same or gets worse.  In my opinion, the people whose eyesight gets better are much more likely to post on that web site about it.  That's why we need science to nail down exactly what is what.
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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 02:59:18 PM »
Isn't it pretty well established that peoples eyes change over time?  If people's eyes change randomly over time, then there's going to be a ton of people whose eyesight gets better when trying those exercise just by random chance and people whose eyesight stays the same or gets worse.  In my opinion, the people whose eyesight gets better are much more likely to post on that web site about it.  That's why we need science to nail down exactly what is what.

good point

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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 04:25:04 PM »
Millions of people go without glasses all the time. I've been without them for over a month at one point. My eyes didn't correct themselves.

That's kind of consistent with my experience too because I've never noticed any change in that short of time.  My eyes have been correcting themselves but at a slow rate.  Only 0.25 diopters per year which is really hard to notice until you get an exam.  One thing that is emphasized on this new site is that your eyes aren't likely to improve much if any if you don't challenge them by looking at things that are just slightly blurry and focus until they become clear.  One thing that will supposedly prevent improvement is if you just let your eyes get used to the blur. 
Also, the fastest they can improve is supposedly about 1 diopter per year which can seem really slow or really fast depending on your point of view I guess.  When people's eyes get worse it's usually over a long period of time as well.

One thing about the millions of people that that go without glasses all the time is that their eyes don't keep getting worse.  At least not on the scale of those of us who do a lot of up close stuff, reading, computer work, iphones, etc.  Just my own experience but people I know who work outside, if they wear glasses at all, their prescription is very weak, like 1 diopter or less.  Engineers I know usually wear at least 3 to even 6 or 8 diopters meaning they need glasses to read something right in front of their face.  I'm closer to the latter at about 3 diopters.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 04:31:19 PM »
I went from 20-400 and several diopters of astigmatism (basically able to read the big E at the top of the chart, though I was never sure whether I was reading it or remembering it) to very nearly 20-20 and only about half a diopter of astigmatism in one eye, pretty much overnight in my left eye, and then, two weeks later, pretty much overnight in the right eye. I didn't use any of the above methods.
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Cataract surgery and toric intra-ocular lenses.

wow.  glad it worked out at least :)


Cataract surgery is very simple and well-established. There's no pain and the results are (figuratively speaking) miraculous. The most painful part was when they inserted the IV. That always hurts. Then before the procedure, they put a tiny bit of what appeared to be cotton lint in my eye, with some sort of medication, and that irritated. I felt nothing at all during the procedure itself, though I was awake and could see vague shapes and movements in the bright light.

The most unpleasant part was having one eye 20-20 and the other 20-400 for the two weeks between the two procedures. I dealt with this by wearing a contact lens in the 20-400 eye (the contacts were for diving and hiking) and using cheap, off-the-shelf reading glasses until after the second procedure when I could get proper prescription reading glasses.
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Re: Interesting site about reversing myopia
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 04:51:16 PM »
I went from 20-400 and several diopters of astigmatism (basically able to read the big E at the top of the chart, though I was never sure whether I was reading it or remembering it) to very nearly 20-20 and only about half a diopter of astigmatism in one eye, pretty much overnight in my left eye, and then, two weeks later, pretty much overnight in the right eye. I didn't use any of the above methods.
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Cataract surgery and toric intra-ocular lenses.

wow.  glad it worked out at least :)


Cataract surgery is very simple and well-established. There's no pain and the results are (figuratively speaking) miraculous. The most painful part was when they inserted the IV. That always hurts. Then before the procedure, they put a tiny bit of what appeared to be cotton lint in my eye, with some sort of medication, and that irritated. I felt nothing at all during the procedure itself, though I was awake and could see vague shapes and movements in the bright light.

The most unpleasant part was having one eye 20-20 and the other 20-400 for the two weeks between the two procedures. I dealt with this by wearing a contact lens in the 20-400 eye (the contacts were for diving and hiking) and using cheap, off-the-shelf reading glasses until after the second procedure when I could get proper prescription reading glasses.
My cataract surgery went south in a serious way. I was three hours on the table for the first round. The doctors finally gave up and I had to go to a specialist for another 3 hours of surgery. They completely replaced the aqueous humor in my eye and it was months before I could see out of it clearly.

Eight months later they did the other one and after 45 minutes on the table I could see just fine. Shit happens.
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