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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #105 on: April 03, 2017, 03:52:21 AM »
I can quite easily induce or control fry in my voice, so I assume that others can as well.  Indeed, it's something one can be trained in or to avoid.  It seems perfectly likely to me that for some people, at least, it is an affectation.  Outside of disease or a few edge cases, I see no reason to treat it as beyond criticism.

I can, yes, if I think about it and make a conscious decision to do so. I don't, and I don't think that most other people routinely do either. There are of course likely to be some exceptions, but I don't think people consciously decide to uptalk either. It's an affectation that is developed according to the culture a person is embedded in, like whether you say "haitch" or "aitch", not a deliberate choice.

That obviously doesn't mean that I think that it's beyond criticism. When I was podcasting, I made a conscious choice to avoid fry as much as I could because I knew some people had a negative reaction to it and that might have caused people to stop listening to my show. That is, in my opinion, one good reason to avoid it.

But I don't think most people think about their voices that much. They just speak and aren't concerned about how their voice sounds to others. Again, there will be exceptions.
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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #106 on: April 03, 2017, 10:05:24 AM »
I finally got around to searching for a YouTube video demonstrating what vocal fry is. My conclusion: Meh. I don't see what the big deal is. It just doesn't bother me. I do find a Texas accent very annoying. (On the other hand, I really like a Carolina accent, an Edinburgh accent, or most of all, in Spanish, a Castilian accent.)

(I think Cara has said she's from Texas, but I don't hear any Texas in her voice at all. Maybe she left when she was still very young? Or worked to get rid of it?)
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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #107 on: April 03, 2017, 12:44:17 PM »
This is something they talked about on This American Life because they have many young female reporters that have vocal fry. They got a lot of people complaining about the women, yet as far as I can remember, they never got a single complaint about Ira Glass despite him also having vocal fry.

I first noticed it when I was being forced to watch keeping up with the karadashians (long story) and the three sisters said thank you in unison. For a few years it bugged me when I heard it in others. However, I eventually realised it was more about my dislike of the kardashians than dislike for vocal fry. Now it doesn't bother me at all.


Edited to add the link https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/if-you-dont-have-anything-nice-to-say-say-it-in-all-caps?act=2

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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #108 on: April 03, 2017, 02:19:15 PM »
Which, again, is not directly sexist *per se*, but is probably indicative of 2nd or 3rd degree sexism

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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #109 on: April 03, 2017, 02:24:33 PM »
Which, again, is not directly sexist *per se*, but is probably indicative of 2nd or 3rd degree sexism

Please define "2nd degree sexism" and "3rd degree sexism."
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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #110 on: April 03, 2017, 08:22:11 PM »
Does Tomi Lahren have vocal fry? Because I very much dislike her.


Honestly I never notice it on anyone, except Bill Clinton, and I had never considered that until this thread.
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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #111 on: April 05, 2017, 03:00:01 PM »
Vocal fry doesn't bother me at all.  I'd hardly notice if it weren't for so many people complaining about it.

I watched part of a quantum mechanics video yesterday and this brilliant guy stammers and um's and uh's and sucks his tongue so often I couldn't finish it.

https://youtu.be/U47kyV4TMnE?t=352
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Re: Vocal Fry
« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2017, 10:38:21 AM »
I agree it is totally sexist.  I mean have you seen the video?

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