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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 11:13:17 AM »
I think a simple question that would clear up a lot for me is basically, is cultural appropriation always bad, albeit occasionally leads to something we generally consider positive despite it's origins (e. g. rock and roll)? 
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »
I would say that cultural appropriation always, by definition, has negative consequences.  Cultural exchange does not.  And both may be present at the same time.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 11:30:44 AM »
I think a simple question that would clear up a lot for me is basically, is cultural appropriation always bad, albeit occasionally leads to something we generally consider positive despite it's origins (e. g. rock and roll)?

watch the video I posted! it's super clarifying.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 11:32:49 AM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

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You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2017, 11:33:44 AM »
Waaaah... I'm an unsufferable troll who somehow thinks mocking people by putting words in their mouth makes for a good argument.

I agree.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2017, 11:45:36 AM »
Waaaah... I'm an unsufferable troll who somehow thinks mocking people by putting words in their mouth makes for a good argument.

I agree.
It does describe you very, very well... I wish I'd come up with those words.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 11:55:19 AM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

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It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

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I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 12:19:54 PM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

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It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

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I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

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You clearly didn't click on the link I posted, nor did you watch the video, nor did you carefully read anything I wrote. I can't account for you not paying very good attention.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

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It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

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I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

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You clearly didn't click on the link I posted, nor did you watch the video, nor did you carefully read anything I wrote. I can't account for you not paying very good attention.
What is your single best example of unfair cultural appropriation? Dreadlocks on insufficiently colored people?

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2017, 12:25:12 PM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

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You clearly didn't click on the link I posted, nor did you watch the video, nor did you carefully read anything I wrote. I can't account for you not paying very good attention.
What is your single best example of unfair cultural appropriation? Dreadlocks on insufficiently colored people?

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Howabout you watch the video and share your thoughts?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 12:28:48 PM »
Howabout you watch the video and share your thoughts?

Middle-class urban-dwelling bandwidth privilege, rearing its ugly head.


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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2017, 12:30:13 PM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

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It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

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I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

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You clearly didn't click on the link I posted, nor did you watch the video, nor did you carefully read anything I wrote. I can't account for you not paying very good attention.
What is your single best example of unfair cultural appropriation? Dreadlocks on insufficiently colored people?

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The shit that Lula gets into in the middle of Act 2 is obviously not "real" in that this is all made up but it's based on truth:

http://faculty.atu.edu/cbrucker/Engl2013/texts/Dutchman.pdf
Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 12:32:38 PM »


Howabout you watch the video and share your thoughts?

Middle-class urban-dwelling bandwidth privilege, rearing its ugly head.

If you turn off your Google alert for "cultural appropriation" it might free up some bandwidth.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 12:56:28 PM »
Good thing the Phoenicians didn't keep the alphabet to themselves.

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Exactly.

"Cultural appropriation" is a brainchild of the American far left that the rest of the world can safely ignore. The very concept presumes an extremely unhistorical view of what cultures are and how the evolve over time.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2017, 01:02:24 PM »
in the hair example...wouldn't the ideal outcome be to encourage a culture where both women can feel comfortable with whatever hair they want?
A promising solution, but then we'd have to put aside identity politics and give up the righteous glow that comes with fighting for marginal cultures against shameless borrowers of ancient ideas.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

It must be so nice to be so removed from issues of sexism/classism/racism to have the luxury of derision of those trying to make things more fair for everyone.
You can call it fairness if you like. Looks like shaming to me.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

I absolutely was shaming you for being derisive and dismissive (i.e. shaming) of people who are trying to make things more fair. You started it, don't dish it out if you can't take it.
You've yet to show how the world would be more fair (or better in any way) if we choose to shame people for adopting good ideas from other cultures.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

You clearly didn't click on the link I posted, nor did you watch the video, nor did you carefully read anything I wrote. I can't account for you not paying very good attention.
What is your single best example of unfair cultural appropriation? Dreadlocks on insufficiently colored people?

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The shit that Lula gets into in the middle of Act 2 is obviously not "real" in that this is all made up but it's based on truth:

http://faculty.atu.edu/cbrucker/Engl2013/texts/Dutchman.pdf

The part where she improvises the blues, dances about the train car, and calls Clay an Uncle Tom?

p.s. Thanks for the link, enjoyable if disturbing reading.
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