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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #120 on: April 05, 2017, 10:01:19 AM »
The recurring theme of the attempted rebuttal being "this doesn't effect me, so I don't see why it's a problem."
It does effect me, though. It gives me more variety in both music and cuisine.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #121 on: April 05, 2017, 10:10:16 AM »
The recurring theme of the attempted rebuttal being "this doesn't effect me, so I don't see why it's a problem."
Yeah, it's a little bit gross how obvious it is, isn't it?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #122 on: April 05, 2017, 10:47:39 AM »
The recurring theme of the attempted rebuttal being "this doesn't effect me, so I don't see why it's a problem."
Yeah, it's a little bit gross how obvious it is, isn't it?
So it goes, poo-tee-weet.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #123 on: April 05, 2017, 11:28:43 AM »
If you all are done patting yourselves on the back, there's a real example that's been brought forward for discussion about whitewashing stories form other cultures in film...
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #124 on: April 05, 2017, 11:30:07 AM »
All the other examples at invalid because you said so?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #125 on: April 05, 2017, 11:40:03 AM »
All the other examples at invalid because you said so?

Who cares!  We've been trying to find a good example we could meaningfully discuss, we have one.  It's a path to move forward and have the conversation.  STOP BEING YOU FOR A MOMENT!
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #126 on: April 05, 2017, 11:41:04 AM »
All the other examples at invalid because you said so?

Who cares!  We've been trying to find a good example we could meaningfully discuss, we have one.  It's a path to move forward and have the conversation.  STOP BEING YOU FOR A MOMENT!
The people who gave those examples only to have them dismissed probably care. Who decided that you get to decide which examples are valid?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #127 on: April 05, 2017, 11:55:46 AM »
If you all are done patting yourselves on the back, there's a real example that's been brought forward for discussion about whitewashing stories form other cultures in film...

Pick a film and go for it.

How about the new Ghost In The Shell?



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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2017, 12:03:24 PM »
If you all are done patting yourselves on the back, there's a real example that's been brought forward for discussion about whitewashing stories form other cultures in film...

Pick a film and go for it.

How about the new Ghost In The Shell?

I want one of the people who thinks cultural appropriation is a real issue and problem to pick one.  It's only fair.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #129 on: April 05, 2017, 12:07:05 PM »
But only if they pick a specific issue that you've decided on.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #130 on: April 05, 2017, 12:19:43 PM »


If you all are done patting yourselves on the back, there's a real example that's been brought forward for discussion about whitewashing stories form other cultures in film...

Pick a film and go for it.

How about the new Ghost In The Shell?

I want one of the people who thinks cultural appropriation is a real issue and problem to pick one.  It's only fair.

Here you go: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/ghost-in-the-shell-box-office-whitewashing-bad-for-business



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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #131 on: April 05, 2017, 12:26:32 PM »
hay gusy all teh ecksamples maek me sad so hear is ecksample i can strwa man insted lolz
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #132 on: April 05, 2017, 12:35:38 PM »
You don't think the VF article on point, Slick?


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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #133 on: April 05, 2017, 01:01:38 PM »
I am against cultural insensitivity but I feel that cultural appropriation in all but the most extreme cases is a stupid concept. I love The 7 Samurai but I have no problem with the Magnificent Seven or white Hip Hop groups such as Grand Buffet.
common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #134 on: April 05, 2017, 01:01:54 PM »


If you all are done patting yourselves on the back, there's a real example that's been brought forward for discussion about whitewashing stories form other cultures in film...

Pick a film and go for it.

How about the new Ghost In The Shell?

I want one of the people who thinks cultural appropriation is a real issue and problem to pick one.  It's only fair.

Here you go: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/ghost-in-the-shell-box-office-whitewashing-bad-for-business



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No, you have not been one of the people arguing for this being a problem, so you shouldn't be the one to pick.  Apparently my very reasons for suggesting that a review of a movie about making a show that dealt with racial stereotypes, that almost nobody here has seen, are just miss dismissing the super valid arguments.  And I see superdave has now liked a post claiming that I'm not hearing the totally valid arguments being presented.  Well fine.  I actually tried to have a real conversation about this issue with you all, but apparently there's no desire for that, so I guess there's no point to this topic.  So now I'm going to post about cat videos.

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