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Offline NEKSkeptic

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #390 on: April 11, 2017, 03:24:16 PM »
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #391 on: April 11, 2017, 03:29:02 PM »
Ah, that old canard."My black friend said I could use the N word, so checkmate libs!"

Ah, the old "some of my best friends are black" counter-counter. Of course you could always contend that there is a diversity of opinion on this matter that doesn't necessarily fall along privileged/non privileged lines.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #392 on: April 11, 2017, 03:30:51 PM »
Of course you could always contend that there is a diversity of opinion on this matter that doesn't necessarily fall along privileged/non privileged lines.

That would be a well reasoned response.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #393 on: April 11, 2017, 03:35:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure Algonquian peoples were killing each other with stone-bladed tomahawks long before the British showed up and introduced metalworking.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #394 on: April 11, 2017, 03:42:22 PM »
I'm pretty sure Algonquian peoples were killing each other with stone-bladed tomahawks long before the British showed up and introduced metalworking.


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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #395 on: April 11, 2017, 04:43:42 PM »
I'm pretty sure Algonquian peoples were killing each other with stone-bladed tomahawks long before the British showed up and introduced metalworking.

When or more different cultures invented the same thing independently, then we need to go back with the archeological record to see which group invented it first, then use genetic sequencing to find out what modern ethnic group most closely resembles that precursor, and make sure that nobody else is allowed to use that invention without proper attribution.  History isn't public domain, it's creative commons!
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #396 on: April 11, 2017, 04:59:52 PM »
I'd like to introduce the term convergent engineering, but unfortunately there is a company with that name.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #397 on: April 11, 2017, 05:36:23 PM »
All right, dudebros, have fun with your right-wing circle-jerk, this thread is dead.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #398 on: April 11, 2017, 05:38:54 PM »
All right, dudebros, have fun with your right-wing circle-jerk, this thread is dead.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #399 on: April 11, 2017, 05:39:20 PM »
It was mostly just taking ideas from other threads anyhow.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #400 on: April 11, 2017, 05:57:59 PM »
Actually if the folks who refuse to discuss this issue with anybody of a certain race who disagree with them have all left, maybe a conversation can finally take place.

Can anybody think of any examples of cultural appropriation in which you feel members of not-that-culture shouldn't participate?

Clearly, you can be a jerk about anything--and I think CA boils down to trying to be open and aware to ideas and offenses, but with no ethical imperative to cease or avoid an action based on it meeting the definition for CA.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #401 on: April 11, 2017, 06:12:34 PM »


Can anybody think of any examples of cultural appropriation in which you feel members of not-that-culture shouldn't participate?

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #402 on: April 11, 2017, 06:12:47 PM »
I'm pretty sure Algonquian peoples were killing each other with stone-bladed tomahawks long before the British showed up and introduced metalworking.

When or more different cultures invented the same thing independently, then we need to go back with the archeological record to see which group invented it first, then use genetic sequencing to find out what modern ethnic group most closely resembles that precursor, and make sure that nobody else is allowed to use that invention without proper attribution.  History isn't public domain, it's creative commons!

This is a deliberate misunderstanding of the definition of cultural appropriation.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #403 on: April 11, 2017, 06:14:22 PM »
Actually if the folks who refuse to discuss this issue with anybody of a certain race who disagree with them have all left, maybe a conversation can finally take place.

Can anybody think of any examples of cultural appropriation in which you feel members of not-that-culture shouldn't participate?

Clearly, you can be a jerk about anything--and I think CA boils down to trying to be open and aware to ideas and offenses, but with no ethical imperative to cease or avoid an action based on it meeting the definition for CA.

Before anyone goes on, I highly recommend watching this to understand what cultural appropriation really is.



I'm gonna repost this, because I think this answers some of the questions that have been asked. Wearing your hair in braids/cornrows/locs is a something that shouldn't be done by anyone except for black folks. But if you are invited to participate in someone else's culture (i.e. going to an Indian wedding) by all means, participate.

I'm gonna say that the rule of thumb is don't do anything that you can get away with because you are white but that other folks can't do even though it's their own culture because of the color of their skin. All these comments about the history of something not being usable in other cultures are missing the huge point of why cultural appropriation is a problem.

PLEASE WATCH THAT VIDEO.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #404 on: April 11, 2017, 06:22:34 PM »
Actually if the folks who refuse to discuss this issue with anybody of a certain race who disagree with them have all left, maybe a conversation can finally take place.

Can anybody think of any examples of cultural appropriation in which you feel members of not-that-culture shouldn't participate?

Clearly, you can be a jerk about anything--and I think CA boils down to trying to be open and aware to ideas and offenses, but with no ethical imperative to cease or avoid an action based on it meeting the definition for CA.
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