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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #570 on: April 15, 2017, 12:21:35 AM »
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #571 on: April 15, 2017, 04:33:53 PM »
To sum up the thread.

"White people should stick to white people things, because feels."

(Wow, that fake quotes thing is sort of fun after all.)

Nevermind that we are reinforcing ideas of racial purity from the alt-right. No way this will end badly.



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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #572 on: April 15, 2017, 04:46:15 PM »
To sum up the thread.

"White people should stick to white people things, because feels."

(Wow, that fake quotes thing is sort of fun after all.)

Nevermind that we are reinforcing ideas of racial purity from the alt-right. No way this will end badly.

Come on man, don't stoop to their level.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #573 on: April 15, 2017, 05:10:37 PM »
He's appropriating their strategy!
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #574 on: April 15, 2017, 05:26:56 PM »
Why don't we let the other side of the discussion come back and have their say again before we continue with any more cheerleading?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #575 on: April 15, 2017, 05:31:44 PM »
Fair enough, Red. I doubt whether anyone on that "side" would even admit that we are balancing goods and harms on both sides of the ledger, though.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #576 on: April 15, 2017, 05:33:22 PM »
Why don't we let the other side of the discussion come back and have their say again before we continue with any more cheerleading?

Speaking for myself, I tried that.  Hell you came into this thread saying cultural appropriation was legit, but because you didn't agree completely with the hard liners they turned on you.  Fuck'em.  They're stupid.  Doesn't mean they're wrong.  Maybe there is an intelligent argument to be made for their "side" but they clearly aren't going to be the ones to make it.  So I'm gonna laugh because that's all they're good for.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #577 on: April 15, 2017, 09:21:57 PM »
Do tell.
Allow me to "tell" through the method of Socratic questioning.

What about stolen valor offends you?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #578 on: April 15, 2017, 09:23:54 PM »
But there's got to be a definition for "cultural appropriation" that includes things like the Headdress but pointedly excludes things like the hoops.
Exactly what is the difference? How can you tell the difference between two random hypothetical examples?

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Who gets to decide what is "made up" and what isn't?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #579 on: April 15, 2017, 09:49:39 PM »
If all you do is ask questions in response to other people's questions, then what is your favorite color?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #580 on: April 15, 2017, 09:53:01 PM »
If all you do is ask questions in response to other people's questions, then what is your favorite color?

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? And haven't you heard of Socratic questioning?
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #581 on: April 15, 2017, 10:11:43 PM »
Do tell.
Allow me to "tell" through the method of Socratic questioning.

What about stolen valor offends you?

I wouldn't say it's offensive, but it can be deceptive. If a 10-y.o. pins on some jump wings, no one is going to assume they earned them. If an adult in uniform puts them on, they are knowingly creating an impression, which is either true or false.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #582 on: April 15, 2017, 10:16:43 PM »
We can't permit things to be simply made up.
Who gets to decide what is "made up" and what isn't?

Is that a serious question? This is a skeptic forum. Exposing made-up ideas is literally all we do.

All of these claims of CA depend on facts about the world. If the underlying facts are false, then it's made up. This is not a matter of opinion.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #583 on: April 15, 2017, 11:48:52 PM »
If all you do is ask questions in response to other people's questions, then what is your favorite color?

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? And haven't you heard of Socratic questioning?

I have, and it's not applicable in a situation where people are accused of false quoting or strawmanning when they attempt to fill in the gaps for a side that refuses to defend their own position.
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #584 on: April 16, 2017, 05:06:21 AM »
Do tell.
Allow me to "tell" through the method of Socratic questioning.

What about stolen valor offends you?

I wouldn't say it's offensive, but it can be deceptive. If a 10-y.o. pins on some jump wings, no one is going to assume they earned them. If an adult in uniform puts them on, they are knowingly creating an impression, which is either true or false.

So would a person wearing a Native American headdress be also knowingly creating an impression that is either true or false? Especially if you can't tell their ancestry by simple appearances alone? A person of Western European descent could be creating a false impression that they are of Native American descent. Do you agree that that would be deceptive?

There is also an aspect of stolen valour that you have ignored - that a person may be wearing military honours that they have not earned. That disrespects those who have earned those honours, and devalues the honours themselves. That's the reason that stolen valour is offensive, which you do not appear to acknowledge.
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