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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1710 on: October 24, 2018, 06:58:45 PM »
In order to count as the bad kind of appropriation? Yes.

As opposed to neutral or positive?  Do we have neutral and positive racism now? 
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1711 on: October 24, 2018, 08:25:01 PM »
In order to count as the bad kind of appropriation? Yes.

As opposed to neutral or positive?  Do we have neutral and positive racism now?
I wasn't talking about racism, per se.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1714 on: October 25, 2018, 12:49:07 PM »
Appropriative or no?

https://twitter.com/thenodshow/status/1054740717115981825

https://twitter.com/ethiopienne/status/1054717782594449409
Following current known "rules"....

Are they outside of the US? -> Yes (Not CA as CA is an American thing)
Are they inside of the US? -> Yes (Maybe CA as it depends on who borrowed who's lasagna idea)
Did Italians "take" lasagna from Ethiopians? -> Yes (It is CA as Italians are perceived as the white majority)
Did Ethiopians "take" lasagna from Italians? -> Yes (It is not CA as they are a minority and minorities cannot appropriate)

*best case scenario for no CA would be for Ethiopians to "take" lasagna from Italians and for Italians to not use any "Ethiopian lasagna ideas" in the future or else they might be accused of CA.



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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1716 on: October 25, 2018, 01:04:33 PM »

Asinine or no?


Bit harsh. It's a fine podcast.
(Haven't tried the recipe yet.)

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1717 on: October 25, 2018, 01:20:23 PM »

(Haven't tried the recipe yet.)


It looks like a variation of Bolognese

I'm sure the smoked paprika, coriander, and berbere add interesting flavors to the dish but the inclusion of "orange cheddar" makes me cringe a bit.

Its missing a ricotta and/or Bechamel sauce layer.  It also needs wine added to the Ragu

I think Ill skip it. You could do much better.

The concept of CA involving food is silly BTW
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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1718 on: October 25, 2018, 01:32:15 PM »
Some possibly relevant history re: Italy/Ethiopia.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1719 on: October 25, 2018, 02:08:01 PM »
Knowing how Ethiopians have one of the best cuisines in the world, I trust their lasagna skills.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1720 on: October 25, 2018, 02:11:14 PM »
The thread has now turned into a culinary thread. Why is nobody answering the CA question?

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1721 on: October 25, 2018, 02:14:14 PM »
The thread has now turned into a culinary thread. Why is nobody answering the CA question?
If one can appropriate hairstyles and jewelry, why not cuisine?

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1722 on: October 25, 2018, 03:03:45 PM »
If one can appropriate hairstyles and jewelry, why not cuisine?



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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1723 on: October 25, 2018, 03:16:03 PM »
Not sure whether those mass-produced foodstuffs are supposed to make it obvious whether the bad sort of appropriation is taking place.

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Re: some thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #1724 on: October 25, 2018, 03:38:21 PM »
Me neither.

But I have seen those kinds of products used as examples of cultural appropriation. The narrative goes that capitalism economically disenfranchises ethnic minorities, thereby creating opportunity for dominant culture entrepreneurs to step in and rob them of their cultural artifacts, and reproduce them as cheap, bland imitations that can be marketed to the less-discerning tastes of the dominant majority.

Not sure I'm buying that argument though.

 

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