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http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/04/20/STROKEAHA.116.016027

Has anybody seen this yet? It's the type of thing that is going to make the "aspartame causes cancer" crowd go crazy.

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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 03:51:40 AM »
It is a correlational study from the Framingham data, so while it is an interesting correlation, it doesn't really prove an direct link or causation between the two.

It does always amaze me how people just accept the headlines about health related topics, when there is this current distrust of the media in almost every other topic area.

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-artificially-sweetened-fizzy-drinks-stroke-and-dementia/

This site has a few commentaries on this paper, I have included one.


Dr Elizabeth Coulthard, Consultant Senior Lecturer in Dementia Neurology at the University of Bristol, said:

“Although interesting, this paper does not tell us that artificially sweetened drinks cause stroke or dementia. The statistical relationship between artificially sweetened drinks and dementia disappears when the analysis controls for diabetes. This makes it more likely that there is a group of people who both use artificially sweetened drinks and are at higher risk of dementia, presumably because they have a risk factor, such as diabetes, for which a low sugar diet has been recommended.

“While the stroke effect remains even after diabetes has been taken into account, we should bear in mind that this is just one study with relatively small subgroups of participants. There is still strong evidence that high sugar intake is bad for general health. Nevertheless, it is good to question our assumptions about replacing sugar and future research could clarify the relationship between artificially sweetened drinks and neurological disease.”

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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 09:41:31 AM »
Like most such studies, this is justification for further research, but not for making lifestyle changes.
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 11:12:12 AM »
I've suffered stroke, dementia and death from artificial sweeteners. You must believe me, I'm a random person on the internet.
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 11:26:03 AM »
I've suffered stroke, dementia and death from artificial sweeteners. You must believe me, I'm a random person on the internet.

I have repeatedly survived fatal from strokes and demential due to the use of alternative treatment modalities.  It's a shame that some people would rather die than help themselves.
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 11:40:00 AM »
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 12:48:51 PM »
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 02:47:25 PM »
We really should sell some of this crap.

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2017, 03:37:12 PM »
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 04:10:50 PM »
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 06:59:06 PM »
That's nothing. For a mere €2999,- I will remotely re-harmonize all the negative oscillations in your dog's chakras and realign the vibrations of all the water molecules in his body, thereby homeopathically detoxifying his aura and at the same time energetically chelating him.

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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 06:59:40 PM »
That's nothing. For a mere €2999,- I will remotely re-harmonize all the negative oscillations in your dog's chakras and realign the vibrations of all the water molecules in his body, thereby homeopathically detoxifying his aura and at the same time energetically chelating him.

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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2017, 04:28:55 AM »
I am curious. . . .Is there a plausible mechanism by which artificial sweeteners might cause stroke and dementia?
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2017, 07:15:53 AM »
I am curious. . . .Is there a plausible mechanism by which artificial sweeteners might cause stroke and dementia?
Yeah, it turns them into hockey fans.
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Re: Artificially sweetened beverages raise risk to stroke & dementia
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2017, 07:26:21 AM »
I am curious. . . .Is there a plausible mechanism by which artificial sweeteners might cause stroke and dementia?

It doesn't look like it. The correlation is weak.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2017/04April/Pages/Reported-link-between-diet-drinks-and-dementia-and-stroke-is-weak.aspx

 

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