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Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« on: May 26, 2017, 06:47:55 PM »
His podcast had two recent episodes that caught my attention:

#965 - Robert Sapolsky (Research Neurobiologist)
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#959 - Mick West (Debunker, they discuss Flat Earth theory and advocacy at length.)
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The Joe Rogan Experience is extremely popular.  My podcatcher -- Podcast Addict -- lists the podcast as having ~1.3m subscribers and over a thousand episodes, new release every few days.  It's pretty nice that someone of his influence and reach has gone from moonlanding denialism to occasionally stumping for skepticism.  He routinely rags on Flat Earthers these days and occasionally talks about his past as a conspiracy theorist and why he substantially left all that behind.  It's nice to see this part of the culture making a little high profile progress and being disseminated to a huge number of people. 
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 09:03:27 PM »
Does he still think that he's the centre of the universe?
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2017, 10:04:08 PM »
Is that a reference to something Joe Rogan actually said, or to something that is known about him?
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 10:37:51 PM »
Joe Rogan is my favorite meathead psychonaut and professional conversationalist. 
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2017, 01:16:41 AM »
Is that a reference to something Joe Rogan actually said, or to something that is known about him?
Not in so many words.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2017, 10:00:05 AM »
Joe Rogan has fairly regularly done 'skeptical' shows, but he also does loony occasionally.  I watch his feed and only download/listen to him when he's got something interesting to say that isn't bunk.

I think the last one I listened to was the Ron Miscavidge one.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 07:06:42 PM »
He's been gradually stepping into the light over the past few years since the "Joe Rogan questions everything". It's been a fascinating skeptical journey from moon hoaxer to public educator of meatheads;) He still holds an affinity for ancient civilizations and that Randall dude, and he wish Bigfoot was real, but yeah, he's now on the side of good. Probably the most important skeptic and science communicator in the world right now, reaching a vast audience that normally dislikes mainstream ideas and media. The SGU is still king amongst the already converted though:)

On a side note, as recent as 2013-14 I couldn't listen to his podcast due to the amount of pseudoscientific bullshit.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 12:21:52 AM »
Oh man, I had no idea he's getting the Alan Watts treatment on youtube:



He's getting the whole, "intriguing segments set to music and video," treatment.  There's, like, a lot of them. 
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 12:42:20 AM »
Nice to hear, I'll have to give him another shot...
and might have to eat my words with a friend who I kinda dissed over his Wim Hof stuff.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 12:48:19 AM »
Maybe.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 03:16:50 AM »
Nice to hear, I'll have to give him another shot...
and might have to eat my words with a friend who I kinda dissed over his Wim Hof stuff.
Idk.
This all seems to be very low hanging fruit. With the Wim Hoff stuff and the Cryotherapy etc, Ive heard him promote as much bullshit as debunk it.
He has a ways to go in my mind before his sheet is balanced in terms of what he puts out in the world.

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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 03:53:07 AM »
Nice to hear, I'll have to give him another shot...
and might have to eat my words with a friend who I kinda dissed over his Wim Hof stuff.
Idk.
This all seems to be very low hanging fruit. With the Wim Hoff stuff and the Cryotherapy etc, Ive heard him promote as much bullshit as debunk it.
He has a ways to go in my mind before his sheet is balanced in terms of what he puts out in the world.

I don't disagree in the least--but this also made me consider that even if he's still a believer/purveyor of some bunk, maybe he's now doing more good than harm in the critical thinking arena.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 05:29:20 AM »
He's been gradually stepping into the light over the past few years since the "Joe Rogan questions everything". It's been a fascinating skeptical journey from moon hoaxer to public educator of meatheads;) He still holds an affinity for ancient civilizations and that Randall dude, and he wish Bigfoot was real, but yeah, he's now on the side of good. Probably the most important skeptic and science communicator in the world right now, reaching a wast audience that normally dislikes mainstream ideas and media. The SGU is still king amongst the already converted though:)

On a side note, as recent as 2013-14 I couldn't listen to his podcast due to the amount of bullshit.

Lets be honest, I wish that Bigfoot was real. . . .That would be really cool.
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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 12:42:25 PM »
Nice to hear, I'll have to give him another shot...
and might have to eat my words with a friend who I kinda dissed over his Wim Hof stuff.
Idk.
This all seems to be very low hanging fruit. With the Wim Hoff stuff and the Cryotherapy etc, Ive heard him promote as much bullshit as debunk it.
He has a ways to go in my mind before his sheet is balanced in terms of what he puts out in the world.

In regards to the cryotherapy, I know Steve has spoken about how research does not support its' efficacy.  However, Joe Rogan is a physical specimen.  He is in exceptional shape for his age.  I would consider him an expert on physical training and an expert on his own body.  He has years of experience working out, trying different methods of rest/recovery.  His anecdotal experience with cryotherapy is that it does help his body to recover from injuries or recover from hardy workouts.  I don't think he is lying to his listeners.  It's not like he makes money on promoting cryotherapy.  In the research used to discredit cryotherapy, what criteria is used to determine if cold is good or bad for mean recovery time?  When I heard about the research, it sounded like they were more focused on the exact temperature being used rather than to focus on whether the resulting recovery time was improved or not.


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Re: Joe Rogan upping his Science & Skepticism game
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 01:05:03 PM »
Rogan may be a 'specimen' but that could be purely genetic.
Fit people are often TERRIBLE at figuring out what it is that makes them so and what benefits them. He feels like cryo helps him recover? Great. Phelps thinks cupping makes him swim faster.
This is not science and its not a skeptical approach.
The fact is that Rogan more than just spoke anecdotally, he promoted unproven treatments to a huge audience AND dissed Steve for his reservations on the treatment, going as far to imply that Steve had not done his research.
The guy is a meathead. Articulate and quite intelligent but a meathead at heart. He shows no sign (to me) of being a reliable skeptical thinker other than taking potshots at obvious bullshit that most people would scoff at anyway.

That said, I do happen to think he is pretty good at recommending training in general.

 

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