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Re: For all the people who get worked up about LCHF, ketowhatever
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 02:30:24 PM »
I Would like to see evidence that restriction of food variety leads to reduction in intake long term in overweight and obese individuals (with the exception of elimination of carbs). In fact, reduced fat and low fat diets in studies almost always add a caloric restriction requirement. When such a requirement is added to a LCHF diet they are less effective
Your mileage may vary.

You're conflating restriction of a macronutrient with restriction of food variety.  Reduced-fat diets generally do not entail eliminating categories of foods.  People following low-fat diets will substitute low-fat milk for high-fat milk, but they will still drink milk. They might substitute white-meat chicken for red-meat chicken, but they still eat chicken.  Contrast this with someone who is legitimately following a low-carb diet.  They can still eat a hamburger, but they have to forgo the bun.  They can still eat eggs and bacon for breakfast, but they have to forgo the hash-browns and the toast.  They are eliminating an entire category of foods (a category that makes up a huge share of the usual American diet).  Whole isles of supermarkets are off-limits.

Edit: Let me make this clearer.  It is the number of foods that you include in your diet that matters.  On average, a person who has the opportunity to eat steak, eggs, potatoes and toast for breakfast will consume more calories than a person who has the opportunity to eat only steak and eggs for breakfast, even if the person is given access to unlimited quantities of these foods. This reduction in the variety of foods leading to reduction in calorie intake has been shown repeatedly.

So you're saying low fat diets do not restrict food variety; LCHF diets do. And it's the reduction in the variety of foods that leads to a reduction in calories as opposed to the effect on appetite of the foods themselves.

I still would like to see that aside from carb restriction, reduction in food variety leads to a reduction in calories.

Well, there is a literature on it, though I suspect most of the papers are pretty old.  You can check Pubmed.

I did a search on pubmed, and it's really a mixed bag. In some increasing variety results in increased intake, in others decreased intake. Many encourage a greater variety in meals, less variety in snacks.

Further, after looking at a few of the articles that discussed "variety" I doubt that your premise, that LCHF diets actually qualify for what the researchers term reductions in "variety."

While those diets do restrict broad food groups (breads, starches, sweets, mostly) there remains a large variety of foods available within the diet restrictions, specifically non-starchy veggies the limited fruits and low-carb veggies allowed.

Here's a few of the 4k links relating to variety of diet. (I've only looked at a few)
 
Variety


The Ketogenic Diet: Making a Comeback. - PubMed - NCBI



Variety in the diet is the best approach to good nutrition. - PubMed - NCBI



A need for cautious assessment of limited-variety diets. - PubMed - NCBI



Variety in a meal enhances food intake in man. - PubMed - NCBI



Behavioural strategies in the regulation of food choice. - PubMed - NCBI



Experimental analyses of the effects of variety in a meal on human feeding. - PubMed - NCBI





The effects of variety in food choices on dietary quality. - PubMed - NCBI



Food variety is associated with less macrovascular disease in those with type II diabetes and their healthy controls. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety within food groups: association with energy intake and body fatness in men and women. - PubMed - NCBI



Food variety--a good indicator of nutritional adequacy of the diet? A case study from an urban area in Mali, West Africa. - PubMed - NCBI



The fat-sucrose seesaw in relation to age and dietary variety of French adults. - PubMed - NCBI



Inadequate nutrient intakes are common and are associated with low diet variety in rural, community-dwelling elderly. - PubMed - NCBI



Eat a variety of healthful foods: old advice with new support. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety, energy regulation, and obesity. - PubMed - NCBI



Effect of altering the variety of sensorially distinct foods, of the same macronutrient content, on food intake and body weight in men. - PubMed - NCBI



The effects of variety and monotony on food acceptance and intake at a midday meal. - PubMed - NCBI



Can food variety add years to your life? - PubMed - NCBI



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A prospective study of variety of healthy foods and mortality in women. - PubMed - NCBI



Higher dietary variety is associated with better nutritional status in frail elderly people. - PubMed - NCBI



Associations between food variety and body fatness in Hong Kong Chinese adults. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety increases the probability of nutrient adequacy among adults. - PubMed - NCBI



Relationship between changes in food group variety, dietary intake, and weight during obesity treatment. - PubMed - NCBI



Greater dietary variety is associated with better biochemical nutritional status in Spanish children: the Four Provinces Study. - PubMed - NCBI



Volume and variety: relative effects on food intake. - PubMed - NCBI



Effect of limiting snack food variety across days on hedonics and consumption. - PubMed - NCBI



Effect of limiting snack food variety on long-term sensory-specific satiety and monotony during obesity treatment. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety predicts low body mass index and inadequate macronutrient and micronutrient intakes in community-dwelling older adults. - PubMed - NCBI



Amount of food group variety consumed in the diet and long-term weight loss maintenance. - PubMed - NCBI



Modified macronutrient diets and weight loss--are food choice and variety more important than caloric restriction? - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety and its effect on food intake of elderly adults. - PubMed - NCBI



Soup preloads in a variety of forms reduce meal energy intake. - PubMed - NCBI



Obesity by choice revisited: effects of food availability, flavor variety and nutrient composition on energy intake. - PubMed - NCBI



Diet variety based on macronutrient intake and its relationship with body mass index. - PubMed - NCBI



How impulsiveness and variety influence food intake in a sample of healthy women. - PubMed - NCBI



Variety influences habituation of motivated behavior for food and energy intake in children. - PubMed - NCBI



The effect of variety and dietary restraint on food intake in lean young women: a preliminary study. - PubMed - NCBI



Improved dietary variety and adequacy but lower dietary moderation with acculturation in Chinese women in the United States. - PubMed - NCBI



What constitutes food variety? Stimulus specificity of food. - PubMed - NCBI



Can limiting dietary variety assist with reducing energy intake and weight loss? - PubMed - NCBI



Associations between dietary variety and measures of body adiposity: a systematic review of epidemiological studies. - PubMed - NCBI



The 'variety effect' is anticipated in meal planning. - PubMed - NCBI



Greater variety of fruit served in a four-course snack increases fruit consumption. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary (sensory) variety and energy balance. - PubMed - NCBI



Changing food patterns across the seasons in rural Pakistan: analysis of food variety, dietary diversity and calorie intake. - PubMed - NCBI



A healthy dietary pattern consisting of a variety of food choices is inversely associated with the development of metabolic syndrome. - PubMed - NCBI



Variety, palatability, and obesity. - PubMed - NCBI



Variety within a cooked meal increases meal energy intake in older women with a poor appetite. - PubMed - NCBI



Greater healthful food variety as measured by the US Healthy Food Diversity index is associated with lower odds of metabolic syndrome and its compo... - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary variety is inversely associated with body adiposity among US adults using a novel food diversity index. - PubMed - NCBI



Reducing variety enhances effectiveness of family-based treatment for pediatric obesity. - PubMed - NCBI



Effects of meal variety on expected satiation: evidence for a 'perceived volume' heuristic. - PubMed - NCBI



Dietary Variety: An Overlooked Strategy for Obesity and Chronic Disease Control. - PubMed - NCBI



Why can't we control our food intake? The downside of dietary variety on learned satiety responses. - PubMed - NCBI



Greater Healthful Dietary Variety Is Associated with Greater 2-Year Changes in Weight and Adiposity in the Preventing Overweight Using Novel Dietar... - PubMed - NCBI
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Re: For all the people who get worked up about LCHF, ketowhatever
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2017, 02:50:13 PM »
I Would like to see evidence that restriction of food variety leads to reduction in intake long term in overweight and obese individuals (with the exception of elimination of carbs). In fact, reduced fat and low fat diets in studies almost always add a caloric restriction requirement. When such a requirement is added to a LCHF diet they are less effective


Your mileage may vary.


I think that is Dr. Stephan Guyenet's argument, a palatability one, food reward.  He is not a fan of insulin being the primary cause of obesity.  He has lessened his vitriol against people llke Teischolz and Taubes  it seems as insulin certainly does play a role.
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