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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2017, 02:08:29 PM »
Consider this notice, I will now begin reporting your personal attacks when you do them, and we'll let the moderation staff sort it out.

Man, that right-wing flounce sure is everywhere these days. It would have been better if you called him a ruffian and slapped him with a glove, TBH.

Between whining about people shitposting on your threads and threatening to run to the mods, I'm thinking that the alt-righties want safe spaces, but only for themselves.

I think that means you got reported! (In a way, I'm envious)
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2017, 02:54:11 PM »
Consider this notice, I will now begin reporting your personal attacks when you do them, and we'll let the moderation staff sort it out.

Man, that right-wing flounce sure is everywhere these days. It would have been better if you called him a ruffian and slapped him with a glove, TBH.

Between whining about people shitposting on your threads and threatening to run to the mods, I'm thinking that the alt-righties want safe spaces, but only for themselves.

I gave a clear post with several points based on the ongoing discussion related to the existing topic.  And I was greated with another personal attack.  Your hypocrisy on empathy is noted.  I am unconcerned with using the report button when it is required, I have just usually given people the benefit of the doubt to avoid doing so.  That line has now been crossed, and I gave notice.  But if you seek to further derail this thread, then by all means continue with the fly-by-night attempts to shame me for thinking that sometimes blatant violations of forum rules require moderation.

Censorship is not the way.  This post seems to be advocating suppressing free speech and speaking truths.  I am surprised that the right has changed their minds on this.  Can I ask what caused this shift in favor of censorship and ignorance?
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 03:12:58 PM »
You know, this forum used to be a fun place to disagree with people and have friendly but spirited discussions about a large variety of topics. Sure, lines were crossed here and there, but that was the exception not the rule. Now it seems like there are some topics which evoke a lot of personal attacks and nasty bickering and I'm honestly getting tired of it.

My personal taste is not to announce I'm going to report actions to the Mods, but I respect the openness in doing so. My personal taste would also be to report posts of members who are repeatedly crossing the line in making superfluous and unwarranted personal attacks against others. I sincerely don't understand why that would be confusing to anyone and if this forum is heading to the point where members routinely insult other members like it seems to be and no one seems to care, then I'm probably just going to leave for good, which would be a shame since I have had a lot of good times here.

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2017, 03:53:47 PM »
You know, this forum used to be a fun place to disagree with people and have friendly but spirited discussions about a large variety of topics. Sure, lines were crossed here and there, but that was the exception not the rule. Now it seems like there are some topics which evoke a lot of personal attacks and nasty bickering and I'm honestly getting tired of it.

My personal taste is not to announce I'm going to report actions to the Mods, but I respect the openness in doing so. My personal taste would also be to report posts of members who are repeatedly crossing the line in making superfluous and unwarranted personal attacks against others. I sincerely don't understand why that would be confusing to anyone and if this forum is heading to the point where members routinely insult other members like it seems to be and no one seems to care, then I'm probably just going to leave for good, which would be a shame since I have had a lot of good times here.

I was all set to like that post until that line :(
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2017, 04:33:05 PM »
To be clear, I don't think this place is there yet, but it sometimes seems like it's been deteriorating slowly towards that.

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2017, 06:11:52 PM »
Come on, people. Why pester the moderators over silliness like this?

It's just an Internet conversation.

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2017, 09:17:27 PM »
I like this forum precisely because It didn't use to be like most other internet conversations. 

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2017, 10:24:00 AM »
Well, considering there are multiple threads going on right now where emotionally stunted men are arguing that people's feels are getting in the way of their rational, skeptical use of ableist, sexist, racist, and other slurs, it might make folks step back from this thread and give it some thought instead of dismissing the twitter user's frustration outright.

Ha, who am I kidding? The in-group is gonna in-group, and unless it shows the kind of character and grown-up emotional maturity it has never shown before, skepticism will continue to self-select for the creepiest, most immature dudes to stomp their feet and say words to offend in the name of free speech and intellectual freedom.  ::)

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »
As a profoundly emotionaly stunted man in his mid thirties, who is also a feminist, a socialist and a skeptic, I agree with the original statement.
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2017, 02:23:56 PM »
Well, considering there are multiple threads going on right now where emotionally stunted men are arguing that people's feels are getting in the way of their rational, skeptical use of ableist, sexist, racist, and other slurs, it might make folks step back from this thread and give it some thought instead of dismissing the twitter user's frustration outright.

I'm dismissing it with the same amount of apparent effort that was put into forming it.  Can you explain to me how you formed your opinion that the people you disagree with in those threads are emotionally stunted men for instance? Would you be happy if others used the same level of evidence about you to form a similarly large and negative opinion?

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2017, 03:23:43 PM »
I was fortunate to having hit my key years in business right at the time there were many "the first woman to..." in each role of my employers. The first female engineer to be hired in my part of Ford Motor Company in 1973 went through incredible crap, despite impeccable credentials. When I left academia to join a business publisher in 1985, I did not have to take a typing test, but women in the same role did, and I later found out, at a much lower salary.

But they persisted, and several became trusted and respected colleagues as they rose through the ranks, including three who became my boss. And still got shit on all the way by the troglodytes in the organizations. You hear things standing at the urinal in men's rooms (the last bastion of male sanctuary) about high-ranking women even today that cannot be said in public. And when I am inadvertently sexist, Mrs. Beagle gently reminds me that her income surpassed mine, after a very late start, at the end of her career, with a lot of roadblocks thrown in the way.

So when I hear men in 2017 whine about feminists, they get categorized as stunted in my book. Sorry.
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2017, 03:28:03 PM »
As a profoundly emotionaly stunted man in his mid thirties, who is also a feminist, a socialist and a skeptic, I agree with the original statement.

Does that mean that you do confuse your inability to process emotions with logic, and that issue is the fault of the Skeptical movement? And do you accept the implication that you would be better off without skepticism?
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2017, 03:34:15 PM »
"Emotionally stunted" to me is describing something entirely different than "doesn't like modern feminism."  It describes core deficiencies in a person's ability to relate to others.  I guess I just find labeling people you don't know based on the arguments they make distasteful to begin with so maybe we're just different in that regard, but if I'm going to get into an internet debate with someone, the only labels I'm going to apply to a person are "worth my time," or "not worth my time."  Anything else just serves to encourage me to dismiss anything they say, regardless of what it is. I'm much more interested addressing their arguments on their merits rather than worrying about judging individuals personally.

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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2017, 03:34:53 PM »
Well, considering there are multiple threads going on right now where emotionally stunted men are arguing that people's feels are getting in the way of their rational, skeptical use of ableist, sexist, racist, and other slurs, it might make folks step back from this thread and give it some thought instead of dismissing the twitter user's frustration outright.

I'm dismissing it with the same amount of apparent effort that was put into forming it.  Can you explain to me how you formed your opinion that the people you disagree with in those threads are emotionally stunted men for instance? Would you be happy if others used the same level of evidence about you to form a similarly large and negative opinion?

I know that question wasn't aimed at me, but one of those men pretty much confirmed that in his post in this thread:


3) I was much more "socially acceptable" in putting people's feelings above honest unflinching pursuit of the truth until the loss of my faith, the SGU podcast being there through that transition.  I also had much more left leaning political views in accordance with those values.  My "toxic attitude" is a direct result of consciously changing my values and priorities as an adult due to skepticism.  Directly.
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Re: The worst outcome from the skeptical movement
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2017, 03:40:46 PM »
Well, considering there are multiple threads going on right now where emotionally stunted men are arguing that people's feels are getting in the way of their rational, skeptical use of ableist, sexist, racist, and other slurs, it might make folks step back from this thread and give it some thought instead of dismissing the twitter user's frustration outright.

I'm dismissing it with the same amount of apparent effort that was put into forming it.  Can you explain to me how you formed your opinion that the people you disagree with in those threads are emotionally stunted men for instance? Would you be happy if others used the same level of evidence about you to form a similarly large and negative opinion?

I know that question wasn't aimed at me, but one of those men pretty much confirmed that in his post in this thread:


3) I was much more "socially acceptable" in putting people's feelings above honest unflinching pursuit of the truth until the loss of my faith, the SGU podcast being there through that transition.  I also had much more left leaning political views in accordance with those values.  My "toxic attitude" is a direct result of consciously changing my values and priorities as an adult due to skepticism.  Directly.

What?  I wrote that and I'm wracking my head to see how you're getting that as an admission that I'm an "emotionally stunted men."
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