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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2017, 09:52:04 AM »
I still can't figure out a reason for the internet of things.  Every story I read or listen to regarding it, just makes it seem like a liability with not benefits.  Why do toasters, refrigerators, et al need to be on the interet?  Some vague, you can use your phone to turn the coffee maker on or monitor your fridge.  What's wrong with timers and why do I need to monitor my fridge?  Shakes cane.
Yeah, I don't get the desire to make all the things hackable and exploitable. It's nice to be able to watch Netflix directly on my new TV, but the first thing I did after turning it on was delete all the other "apps" televisions now come with.

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2017, 10:02:37 AM »
Actually, the first thing I did was refuse to accept the TOS for voice recognition and the other major security risks it has by default. *Then* I deleted the other apps.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2017, 10:28:28 AM »
Have I ever mentioned that the self check aisle in some stores in Denver have a check scanner?  Can you imagine how long it would take some who still uses a check to figure out a self check out machine?

In the US, the chips add a bit of security by making it harder to copy the data but we still don't use pins, which sorta defeats about half the security benefits.

Side, not I heard a podcast a few years ago that claimed the reason Europe was so advanced in credit card security is because they had a lot more fraud. 

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2017, 11:37:21 AM »
In the US, the chips add a bit of security by making it harder to copy the data but we still don't use pins, which sorta defeats about half the security benefits.

I kind of disagree.  The real issue in the US has been data breeches at retailers (e.g., Target) which have revealed people's CC numbers, etc., and magnetic strip forgery.  With chip and sign, retailers never see your credit card number, only a unique transaction code that cannot be reused. And as magnetic strips are phased out it will no longer be possible to make transactions with cloned cards.  The only thing that remains will be in-person credit card fraud where someone who has stolen your card uses it to buy goods and forges your signature.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2017, 11:42:04 AM »
Good point, so the real security problem is the magnetic strip which we still have but is slowly going away. 

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2017, 11:42:13 AM »
I have not yet seen a gas station where the pumps use the chip system and gas station pumps are a place most likely to get your card cloned.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2017, 12:56:15 PM »
I still can't figure out a reason for the internet of things.  Every story I read or listen to regarding it, just makes it seem like a liability with not benefits.  Why do toasters, refrigerators, et al need to be on the interet?  Some vague, you can use your phone to turn the coffee maker on or monitor your fridge.  What's wrong with timers and why do I need to monitor my fridge?  Shakes cane.

There was an article about connected coffee makers. So, if your internet connection is down, your machine won't make your coffee. The main reason for the machines being connected to the internet seemed to be so they could verify that you had bought the coffee from the manufacturer of the machine. I get it that coffee pods are convenient. But anybody who cares about the quality of their coffee will want it freshly ground. And if you can stand to drink pod coffee, it's just not that inconvenient to make coffee in a regular coffee maker. And who pays extra for a feature whose only purpose is to prevent you from buying your coffee from someone other than the maker of the machine?

My computer, my tablets, and my phone are connected. Nothing else in my house is. I could see having a connected sound system if you like listening to streaming music. All the rest seems like gadgetry for the sake of gadgetry.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2017, 05:42:32 PM »
DRM is a tech I never needed. No product or service is improved by implementing it.

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2017, 06:25:51 PM »
Speaking of coffee....French Press.  Does that make me a luddite, or a hipster?
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2017, 06:29:47 PM »
I still can't figure out a reason for the internet of things.  Every story I read or listen to regarding it, just makes it seem like a liability with not benefits.  Why do toasters, refrigerators, et al need to be on the interet?  Some vague, you can use your phone to turn the coffee maker on or monitor your fridge.  What's wrong with timers and why do I need to monitor my fridge?  Shakes cane.

There was an article about connected coffee makers. So, if your internet connection is down, your machine won't make your coffee. The main reason for the machines being connected to the internet seemed to be so they could verify that you had bought the coffee from the manufacturer of the machine. I get it that coffee pods are convenient. But anybody who cares about the quality of their coffee will want it freshly ground. And if you can stand to drink pod coffee, it's just not that inconvenient to make coffee in a regular coffee maker. And who pays extra for a feature whose only purpose is to prevent you from buying your coffee from someone other than the maker of the machine?

My computer, my tablets, and my phone are connected. Nothing else in my house is. I could see having a connected sound system if you like listening to streaming music. All the rest seems like gadgetry for the sake of gadgetry.
I use reuseable cups to brew my coffee in a Keurig. Lots cheaper per cup.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2017, 09:30:09 PM »
The best coffee (obviously just my opinion) comes out of those hexagonal Italian stove-top espresso makers. The water goes in the bottom, the ground coffee in the middle, and when the water is boiled over the stove, it is forced up through the ground coffee and into the top section.
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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2017, 10:32:32 PM »
Funny - for me the best coffee comes in a jar that has "Moccona" on the side.

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2017, 08:14:45 AM »
The best coffee (obviously just my opinion) comes out of those hexagonal Italian stove-top espresso makers. The water goes in the bottom, the ground coffee in the middle, and when the water is boiled over the stove, it is forced up through the ground coffee and into the top section.
Do you mean a percolator?

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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2017, 08:21:48 AM »
The best coffee (obviously just my opinion) comes out of those hexagonal Italian stove-top espresso makers. The water goes in the bottom, the ground coffee in the middle, and when the water is boiled over the stove, it is forced up through the ground coffee and into the top section.

I disagree. The best coffee comes from a little copper džezva, in which the coffee grounds are slightly toasted, then brought to a simmer two or three times to develop a glorious foam.


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Re: The Luddite Thread - Old tech you prefer over new tech?
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2017, 09:02:16 AM »
The best coffee comes from heating water with a parafin lamp and letting the vacuum as it cools pull it through the coffee grounds


 

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