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Offline fuzzyMarmot

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Heaven's Gate
« on: October 25, 2017, 09:24:09 PM »
NPR's Glynn Washington is doing an interesting podcast series called Heaven's Gate. It is about the cult, the people in it, the people who left, the families, etc. So far it is really thought-provoking and fascinating. It does a great job of exploring what makes people believe in stuff that seems totally bonkers to the rest of the world. Plus Glynn grew up in a pseudo-cult, so he has some great perspective of what it feels like.

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 01:09:16 PM »
Very cool. Downloading now.
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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2017, 03:30:04 PM »
Thanks, will listen today.

Here's an article which you may find interesting, it's about former cult member turned ultra-endurance cyclist Juliana Buhring,

https://www.outsideonline.com/1970876/toughest-woman-two-wheels

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2017, 09:12:03 AM »
I'm skeptical about the host's warning anyone could get suckered into a cult. He uses his own life as an example. However, he was raised as a small child within the cult. It's not really a great example of how normal, educated, right-thinking people might back into a cult. I suspect there kinds of cults are effective because they throw a lot of totally whack shit at people that only those most gullible stay. You cast a wide net, with very big holes, but you manage to haul in some BIG fish.

I remember I used to watch Garner Ted Armstrong's the World Tomorrow on TV in the 1970s. I seemed kind of very documentary like, not particular fire and brim stone. In the 80s I loved picking up The Plain Truth. It was a pretty hilarious read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plain_Truth

Heaven's Gate was good for me professionally. At the time I was a columnist for a major Canadian daily paper (the Toronto Sun), writing about fringe topics about this new fangled internet. Back in 1995 I was warning people about the same crap we have today:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020515122327/http://www.interlog.com:80/~kamamer/dec952.txt

The Toronto Sun had a readership of about a million people back in the day so I kind of liked I could get skeptical topics out to a lot of people who generally didn't encounter skeptical topics in their paper (especially one that was tabloid format, had a daily bikini chick photo, and was filled with ads for stereo financing and strip bars).

I also wrote a book about ufo and conspiracy crap on the net:

https://www.amazon.ca/Truth-Here-Karl-Mamer/dp/1577120116

Anyway, when Heaven's Gate dropped, the major news orgs fired up their golden rollodexes and found there was really no one in there that was an expert on the internet and conspiracies. Since I had written a book, I was next in line. Boy. Did I get calls and emails. Alas never got flown anywhere to be a talking head.

A year after the Heaven's Gate thing I wrote a retrospective on it for my Toronto Sun column:

http://www.yrad.com/lapetitelesson/cs/text/HEAVEG.TXT
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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 12:32:30 PM »
http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Plain%20Truth.html

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 09:50:46 PM »
Thanks, mindme and DevoutCatalyst! mindme, it looks like you've done some awesome journalism and writing. The SGU should have you on for an interview!

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2017, 10:53:04 PM »
I'm skeptical about the host's warning anyone could get suckered into a cult.


This. Cult members are trained to specifically look for people vulnerable to recruitment.

Basically alone, lonely, unhappy and emotionally needy. Male or female is fine. Mostly between 16 and 20, but older isn’t always a deal killer.



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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2017, 11:31:16 AM »
There's a lot of material on Heaven's Gate on YouTube which thanks to the OP I've now watched, and have graduated to videos on Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and other assorted nonsense. Thank no god I didn't grow up in a cult family, what a dreary mess.

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 10:26:44 AM »
Great podcast. The host does a fantastic job had has a unique insight into the cult. Heart breaking at times, especially the phone calls from parent to daughter. I agree with the host that anybody can be lured and find themselves in a cult (everybody has vulnerabilities and breaking points) although it is much easier for some people to fall. I also like his perspective on brainwashing.

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 10:47:55 AM »
A podcast on a the same theme, Cults from parcast, they typically do a two hours per cult split into two episodes.

https://www.parcast.com/cults/

I'm skeptical about the host's warning anyone could get suckered into a cult.


This. Cult members are trained to specifically look for people vulnerable to recruitment.

Basically alone, lonely, unhappy and emotionally needy. Male or female is fine. Mostly between 16 and 20, but older isn’t always a deal killer.

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Based on the above podcast, it seems like anyone can if they're in at the beginning before the cult.  The mostly start out as pretty normal religious/spiritual groups then like a lobster by the time your realize its a cult, you've devoted so much to it that its hard to see your way out.  Once they're at that point, then they really do need to target the vulnerable, lonely, and depressed. 
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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 10:41:53 PM »
One issue I have with the host is that he kept making the argument that "If you think it couldn't happen to you, think again because it happened to me."

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2018, 01:26:35 AM »
As for heaven's gate, my brother in law was sucked in by them. Ate the apple sauce.
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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 11:44:38 AM »
As for heaven's gate, my brother in law was sucked in by them. Ate the apple sauce.

So sorry to hear that. You have my condolences.

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2018, 03:51:41 PM »
There's a lot of material on Heaven's Gate on YouTube which thanks to the OP I've now watched, and have graduated to videos on Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and other assorted nonsense. Thank no god I didn't grow up in a cult family, what a dreary mess.

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Re: Heaven's Gate
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2018, 07:55:57 PM »
As for heaven's gate, my brother in law was sucked in by them. Ate the apple sauce.

So sorry to hear that. You have my condolences.

He was kind of an asshole but my sister loved him. I felt bad for her and his family. He tried to drag her into it with him and she wouldn't. He left her a widow at 25. She's with a much better person now.

Thanks for the empathy.
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