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« Reply #105 on: August 27, 2019, 03:34:33 PM »
I suspect it might be whey with myself but who knows?

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« Reply #106 on: August 27, 2019, 03:45:45 PM »
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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« Reply #107 on: August 27, 2019, 03:51:34 PM »
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

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« Reply #108 on: August 27, 2019, 04:28:32 PM »
I used to eat a bowl of ice cream every night but starting about a year or so ago I started with the TMI thing. Went to a specialist and did the bore scope and came up clean. The Doc did say that some people as they get older do have problems with lactose. I am on the lactode free milk and all to see how much I can tolerate now. It sucks I really like ice cream, cheese and pizza. There is a supplement that you can take when you eat milk that is suppose to help with it but I am trying to figure out how much I can tolerate if that is in effect what is going on.

So far I have replaced Milk with lactose free milk for breakfast. No cheese on my sandwich and no yogurt. No pizza( >:() or ice cream at night. I'm going to wait and see if I get( TMI) better.

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« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2019, 07:41:05 AM »
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
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« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2019, 08:20:52 AM »
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
Hmm. That sounds quite odd. My mother claims the same symptoms but I put it down to seeing connections that arent there.

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« Reply #111 on: August 28, 2019, 10:22:57 PM »
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
Hmm. That sounds quite odd. My mother claims the same symptoms but I put it down to seeing connections that arent there.
IIRC he only made the connection because his GP did. FWIW it fits with some of the milder symptoms mentioned here, for example.
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« Reply #112 on: August 29, 2019, 12:08:41 AM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.




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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.  When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.  Lactose tolerance evolved over time, as people bred better dairy cows and better dairy practices.
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« Reply #113 on: August 29, 2019, 01:03:47 AM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.
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« Reply #114 on: August 29, 2019, 01:20:14 AM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘
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« Reply #115 on: August 29, 2019, 01:57:57 AM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

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« Reply #116 on: August 29, 2019, 09:25:01 AM »
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« Reply #117 on: August 29, 2019, 07:58:57 PM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.

You don’t have lactose intolerance.  You have intolerance to your lactose metabolising bowel bacteria.
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« Reply #118 on: August 29, 2019, 08:05:52 PM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.
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« Reply #119 on: August 29, 2019, 08:16:47 PM »
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.

The enzyme that allows for adults to digest lactose is only present in a portion of the human population. (Mostly the areas where cattle were first domesticated).
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