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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #240 on: February 13, 2020, 03:35:14 am »
Carrying on from Star Trek: Enterprise.

Star Trek: Discovery S01

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S01E01 – The Vulcan Hello

Starting out with the weird Klingons. Given that they made the TOS Klingon-look part of canon in Enterprise, is this supposed to be yet another stage of Klingon? Do they revert to human-looking again before TOS, or is this a different group of Klingons, one that was never seen on screen during TOS?

Why exactly are they going off on this DNA-wrecking mission? Seems like an unnecessary risk for something they should be able to probe remotely.

They haven't seen Klingons since Enterprise?

Is the Daft Punker an alien?

Why can't they block light? Is this why they switched to having opaque walls and viewscreens-only in TOS, because of some fundamental design flaw that prevented them from installing blackout curtains?

This was a really strange internal conflict. Why is Vulcan advice only available to Michael? Why would Michael act like she is the only one who can access and understand this information? Have the Vulcans been gone since Enterprise, too?

S01E02 – Battle at the Binary Stars

Michael has known Saru for 7 years, and he still had to explain his species to her?

I'm not liking the constant Klingon language scenes. What dialect is this that they're all speaking?

How is it that everyone's communicating via holographic representations of themselves, when that was a new thing 117 years into the future?

Suddenly the crew care about loss, when it hits the one person the viewers know about.

Then one continuity they choose to bring along is the stupid soul connection thing from Enterprise.

Will Michael ever face any real dangers? Fatal radiation, skipping out on critical treatment, being blasted across a vacuum. They act like these are high stakes, but it doesn't feel like there's any peril.

So these Klingons care about corpses, unlike their future counterparts.

Couldn't they have transported that Klingon Arthur off of the ship, if lifesigns are what they're looking for?

What's with none of the judges being visible at the court martial, as if Starfleet justice is to lock people up for life in secret?

S01E03 – Context is for Kings

Now they're being flat out silly. Space train flying through space clouds, with space organisms basically killing the pilot. And another slave labor plot in the background. Why would Starfleet want to systematically use prisoners for labor, when there should be plenty of potential volunteers from the many billions of Federation citizens?

They're demonstrating how unsecure bioprints are.

And apparently, everything's going to revolve around the space organisms.

S01E04 – The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry

Given that they figure out how to use this fantastic transportation technology, why risk it all being lost with a single ship? Wouldn't that be the time to return to not the far edge of the Federation, to mass-produce it?

What's the difference between a biologist and a xenobiologist, in a society that has discovered that life similar to Earth-life exists on hundreds of worlds? What does a non-xenobiologist biologist do, that a xenobiologist doesn't do?

They're really going for the sunk costs fallacy with all these "don't let their death be in vain" statements. And they have terrible project managers. "No, don't try to understand how it works. Just make it do what I tell you to".

Getting an Equinox vibe off of these guys.

S01E05 – Choose Your Pain

What's with the science officer rejecting information?

If the "navigator" needs to be a living entity, does that mean they don't actually know what kind of data they need to feed the drive, and somehow the subconscious fills in the blanks?

Why would Saru object to experimenting on a willing human because of law, but not object to torturing another species? Is that not against the law?

S01E06 – Lethe

There are some things I don't like about this show, but it's looking like it could be better than Enterprise.

... a soul graft?

Is Michael the only person Sarek ever mind-melded, or super-duper mind-melded with (at this point)? If not, shouldn't there be others who can also access this mindscape?

If they have these standardized holocommunication devices, why meet in person with an elusive enemy that you've signed no treaties with and can't predict the behavior of?

S01E07 – Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

Looking back, I should note that this is my favorite episode of the season.

They didn't really show how they solved the problem. They just did some computer thing, while the one guy who could transition between timelines stayed out of most of the scenes.

And it was incredibly easy for Mudd to blow up Discovery. Mudd didn't need the spore drive. He could've left the ship destroyed, and told the Klingons everything else he knows.

Why did they let Mudd go? Why would they trust someone they had never met before, to keep Mudd from causing any more trouble? Those people could easily be Mudd's escape hatch.

S01E08 – Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

And then they visit Pandora.

S01E09 – Into the Forest I Go

It's weird that they keep making a big deal about the spore drive, as being the one thing that stands in the way of the Klingons destroying the Federation, when we never heard about it in the 4 series or 10 movies that happen after this.

Even if it was classified at the time, obviously people outside of the ship were aware of it. 100 years later, why wouldn't it be part of history lessons at the Academy?

S01E10 – Despite Yourself

This is a story all about how medically inadvisable actions are taken too far.

And yet more very stupid security measures. Why can anyone just walk up to a cell containing a dangerous prisoner, and open the door with no one else objecting and no alarms going off?

Everything is different, except everyone is the same. Across every generation, for centuries of alternity. Everyone reproduced with the exact same people at the exact same time under the exact same circumstances. Despite there being several prominent examples of very different sexual behaviors, and very different behaviors and roles otherwise. Such as individuals being dead when their counterparts aren't.

The doctor gets murdered, and no one notices? How are they not at least posting extra guards with the one guy who's capable of bringing them back to the Primary Universe?

S01E11 – The Wolf Inside

Then they have no clue who did it. Their computer is too advanced for this to not be the result of incompetence.

Why doesn't Sarek mind-meld with Tyler to find out what's going on inside his head? Why aren't they at the bare minimum chaining him up, after he's tried to murder someone out of nowhere?

S01E13 – What's Past Is Prologue

All mirror universe humans are sensitive to light? How has that never come up in other mirror universe episodes?

How is this mycelial network so important to all life in all universes, and we've never heard about it before Discovery? If it is this important, shouldn't various powerful alien civilizations have figured that out, and be paying attention to who's using it? Shutting them down before things get out of hand. Like with the omega particles from Voyager, except those only threatened the galaxy.

Are we supposed to be rooting for the mega Hitler emperor? Why was Michael working with her, after having escaped? She could've sat back and let them fight it out, while she worked with Discovery behind the scenes.

Michael's gesture of not killing Lorca was utterly meaningless, given that she had helped set up at least two ways for him to soon be killed.

S01E14 – The War Without, The War Within

How can Saru independently decide that something's treason, when the critical factor is that it involves locking up someone from another universe? Are there standard protocols for that?

Isn't "Tyler" a complete fiction, and this is Voq, with someone else's personality imprinted on his brain? Why would L'Rell flip the switch to make him see himself as Tyler, after their attempt at infiltrating Starfleet had failed?

Why the fuck would Michael think that the emperor deserves political asylum? If you had any diplomatic arrangements with the other universe, what's deserved would be for them to know that she will face justice. Why would the Admiral want her to be treated as a guest? The emperor is personally responsible for atrocities on a scale orders of magnitude larger, than what the Klingon in the brig is.

Attack Kronos? That's the big secret to defeating the Klingons that you had to go all the way to another universe to figure out?

Everything feels arbitrary at this point. Like there's no fleshed out story behind this, and the writers are just throwing things together.

Michael treats Tyler as if he's the worst person around, despite her regular contact with mega Hitler. If the only thing that matters to Michael is whether or not someone tried to kill her, the emperor did that too.

Captain mega Hitler. Of course.

S01E15 – Will You Take My Hand?

Mega Hitler was called a Captain.

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Even if everyone goes along with pretending that this is their original Georgiou, they can't ignore how she immediately disqualifies herself. Alternate or not, it's their duty to relieve her of command, and throw her in the brig or other secure facility.

This could well be the worst episode in all of Star Trek. Mutant lizards in the Delta Quadrant means nothing, next to having the entire chain of command crap all over Starfleet.

To talk to the guy with Klingon memories, that's another brilliant idea that could apparently only ever come from another universe. Aside of primary universe Michael being the one who actually had the idea. But to then go somewhere based on that information, and to there look for more information, surely there was no way they could've done that without mega Hitler.

Then they reinvent MAD, and effectively admit that there was no point to having the emperor there. Yet they still let her go, to go anywhere and do anything. With the meaningless threat that they'll be watching her, which they've already proven that they're incapable of.

Theres's so much monologuing, as if that's supposed to be how they demonstrate how ethical they are. They talk about how wonderful their principles are, after repeatedly taking actions against them.

Star Trek: Susan Collins.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #241 on: February 13, 2020, 03:59:43 am »
Star Trek: Discovery S02

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S02E01 – Brother

Starting off with some anti-scientific bullshit, about how only those who already believe can observe evidence for the existence of a certain something.

And they're still going with the slow motion emote scenes, as if they don't have enough content, and need to stretch things out.

Why would Ambassador Sarek and Commander Burnham not expect to see Spock again, when he's also working for Starfleet?

Then it turns out that they were playing things up, to have people who weren't expecting to see Spock expect to see Spock, so that they could surprise them by not having them see Spock.

They're overdoing Tilly's mannerisms, at this point.

Then it's back to story time with Burnham. This is feeling less and less like a sci-fi show. They move on to a conversation about Spock, with a lot of long pauses.

They say there's no way for their technology to zoom in any further, but Saru can. That's moronic. If the information is available for Saru to zoom in on, then blow up the image and let everyone see it.

"Production values" means very little to me, when the story isn't satisfying.

They killed off the random guy who substituted Spock on their arrival to Discovery. Okay, so what? Pike's not going to die. Burnham's not going to die, at least not for a while. Why are they flying through all these rocks as if they're trying to get to the middle of a maze? Why can't they tractor beam themselves a clearing to reach their objective? They're bringing up EM distortions and gravity fields as if that explains the situation, but it doesn't.

They take a long time to say very little during the emotional scenes, as if to prompt you to take it all in and feel something. Then they speak very quickly during the technical scenes, as if to confuse you into thinking that they explained everything, in the parts that you didn't quite catch.

Then there's a really cheesy line about the power of math, without having explored any math.

Then there's snooping in personal logs.

What exactly is an interstellar asteroid, and why is it right next to a star? If it's 5 hours away from the pulsar at 5000 km/s, it's much closer to the pulsar than Earth is to Sol. I guess the point is that it's above escape velocity, rather than not currently in a star system.

S02E02 – New Eden

At least the computer is paying attention now.

They're making it out like inventing a new religion is different from other religions, which were basically all branched off from earlier religions.

Despite Pike being confronted face to face by this guy who tells him that he knows who they are, Pike still refuses to tell the truth.

They've been waiting their entire life to make contact, carrying on what multiple generations have done before. You've traveled across most of the galaxy to get there. You still have to go all the way back. But you brush off and ignore someone who's right next to you, and asking for help.

They're humans. Their ancestors were on Earth less than a generation before First Contact. They know their own history. There's nothing to suggest that they wouldn't be capable of comprehending the truth about what has happened to humanity, since the divergence.

If not for Discovery intervening to stop a planetary disaster, this could've been the biggest "screw you" of all the Prime Directive screw you's.

Pike then breaks the directive anyway, to make a trade, but that doesn't really make much of a difference. In another generation, it will only be a story (next to the battery that will be explained away as a miracle). Same as it will be for whoever this guy has children with. Or are we to believe that he's the result of a succession of clones with cloned memories, since he is the only example of his family that we see?

S02E03 – Point of Light

Rational explanations, yes, will there be any?

The camera guy seems to be having some issues.

I notice there are no TOS/post-Augment Klingons, or pre/de-Augment/TNG Klingons, in this episode. Despite them apparently being on Kronos, and this being some sort of ruling council. So if there is an in-universe reason for their different look, maybe the TOS-Klingons overthrow them and wipe them out.

It sounds like Spock was right to distance himself from his privacy-invading family.

Spock lacking empathy; I hope they downplay that plot point very quickly. What Discovery lacks is science, not feelings.

Tilly's tried nothing, and she's all out of ideas.

Then they bring back the emperor, and I have to hope they kill her before the end of the episode, or this is looking like it could be as bad as season 1, or worse.

Then… the Klingons have a leader called mother? Bah.

If Section 31 is able to randomly appear on Kronos and assassinate key Klingons, where were they during the war? Why hire the Terran emperor, why have the face of the greatest evil yet encountered, among your ranks, if you want to pretend that you're on the side of the good guys?

I'm worried that the previous episode was the peak of this series.

S02E04 – An Obol for Charon

There were a couple of cheap plot devices in this one (Saru's fake-out, and them getting the exact thing they needed from the sphere, after being diverted). But when the devices aren't based around furthering the cause of torture and war, it's easier to find them funny and not be that bothered by them.

S02E05 – Saints of Imperfection

Then there's a cheap plot device that has no upsides.

There's absolutely no reason to put down your weapons, when you're being unexpectedly faced with the emperor.

So Pike wasn't briefed on this being the emperor, as part of the briefing on the classified activities on Discovery?

Yet everyone knows what Section 31 is.

The central story is almost okay. Except they're not explaining how it's possible, only handwaving something about energy. If the mycelial species didn't transport his body, what did they transport, and how did they get the information that's stored in his physical cells, which they would need to recreate him accurately? Why would the spores reconstitute him and revive him before trying to eat him? Why reconstitute at all, instead of consuming the raw energy, whatever the source of the energy is?

They talked for way too long after their time was supposedly up. I'd have been fine with it, if they had all died for standing around, when they should've run, and Pike had to make the decision to save everyone else.

The emperor still contributes nothing that couldn't be done by a half-competent Cadet from the Prime Universe. The only relevant action she took in this episode was to say wait. Which makes the Admiral come across as similarly pointless, if this is the type of person she prefers to have working for her.

Burnham's closing monologue is self-satire. Envying those who can believe there is a greater hand writing their story, and Burnham basically stating that her character has no path, because she is still searching for it.

S02E06 – The Sounds of Thunder

I'm not liking how religious they're making things. Especially with how arbitrary the show has felt at times. I'm worried that they're winging it like Lost.

I also don't like them abusing the term evolution, as if evolution is a system with fixed progression, and as if individuals evolve. I was content with the idea of present day Kelpiens naturally losing their permafear as they get older. As a sort of final stage of their puberty, which could be when they become adults who can lead and care for the tribe. While the young stay in hiding, because of their fear. And this other species found a way to exploit that developmental stage.

Nor do I like that they can suddenly hyperaccelerate the Vahar'ai on a global scale, within seconds of deciding that they should do it. Maybe Saru should've been gone for an episode or two before we got to this point, spending some time to set things up.

Or the idea that this planetary-wide phenomena they're observing should be impossible, when Starfleet themselves already have Constitution class ships that can level planets (or they're soon to be upgraded to capable of that). Why wouldn't they easily be able to imagine another civilization that can do this?

Other than that, good episode.

S02E07 – Light and Shadows

So what is Airiam? Obviously not a synthetic lifeform, since Data was the first one in Starfleet, about 100 years later. Is she a human who has undergone reconstructive surgery with cyborg implants?

Apparently, Section 31 has functional security cameras, unlike the rest of Starfleet. But they don't record audio, and/or they don't bother paying much attention to the details, when they look at the footage.

Why would Section 31 be the authority to turn Spock over to? They were tasked with finding him, but they failed, and someone else did that job for them. Wouldn't Vulcan have its own Federation court system, which would be more relevant to turn to?

Leland comes across incompetent, like he's a disgraced Captain, and this was the only place to post him. So it makes even less sense to trust having the emperor work in Section 31 with him. Why didn't she get a desk job, somewhere far away from where she could take any direct actions herself, with a number of chips implanted inside her for Starfleet to monitor her with?

S02E08 – If Memory Serves

It would've been really handy to have security cameras on Discovery now.

It's a pretty good episode, but any episode that has the emperor involved in any way is going to be flawed. Why is Starfleet letting Section 31 set the agenda for anything, why would Discovery be in trouble for rescuing Spock?

S02E09 – Project Daedalus

There are at least some explanation for Section 31's behavior, but still no explanation for why you would let mega Hitler get a position in it.

That scene would've been better with Spock maintaining his calm.

So when they do use video, the stored footage includes infrared (and audio). It's a little too convenient that they have this information now, when they've applied it so poorly before.

Couldn't the security chief have had an EV suit that's adapted to her biology?

How is it that Airiam can have so much information from the sphere uploaded to her? Is being a portable backup unit part of her job description?

Can't they beam her aboard?

S02E10 – The Red Angel

I didn't mind so much that they only built up Airiam in the episode where they decided to kill her. But it's weird to go right into a eulogy in the next episode.

What happened to the AI they were going to reset, which had already managed to kill everyone on the base? How did it stop being a problem as soon as Airiam died?

The one variable they can't possibly predict is the future? So they can predict the past and the present, but that's it. And apparently, they sorted out all the Section 31 HQ stuff off-screen.

There's still no reason to have the emperor there. She relies on Section 31's technology and information, and now again on the Discovery crew's skills. They could've had anyone else in that role. Did the producers screw up when they made the contract with Michelle Yeoh, offering her a multi-season deal, despite her character being pilot-only?

Fearless Saru should've done something about her.

In every scene where the emperor tries to assert herself, I'm thinking it would be fair enough if someone stabbed her to death. No one who knows who she is has any reason to trust that she isn't spending every moment plotting how to destroy everything and everyone. And if no else is stopping her, it might as well be the next person she talks to.

If they're going to tolerate having her around at all, no one should offer her any respect. It's not like there's any point to maintaining the cover story. Her PU counterpart's history doesn't play a role in her work, and she doesn't seem to have a homelife to maintain. They might as well have said that the emperor is her long lost twin. Or that this is an evil clone, to avoid mentioning the Mirror Universe, but not avoiding telling people what she's capable of.

It's weird that Nhan thanks Burnham for leaving her to die on the floor, and having to drag herself over to Burnham to do what Burnham couldn't do.

Burnham knocking out Leland makes how she treats the emperor make less sense.

Then she goes to yell at Voq for working for Section 31. There's something missing here.

But no, we're going to move on to the person who's willing to sacrifice everything for everyone else, having a friendly conversation with the person who's willing to sacrifice everyone else.

Seems like an unnecessarily brutal way to die. If they have a failsafe anyway, either the angel says "no, you have a failsafe, it's not too late yet", or they could've put her in a chamber filled with an inert gas, and achieved the same result.

Other than that, good episode.

S02E11 – Perpetual Infinity

More and more, Burnham is coming across as an early prototype version of Data, with experimental but limited expressions, and limited ability to comprehend the circumstances she finds herself in.

I liked Tilly in the first season, for the most part. Now it's like she's a prop, not a character.

Fucking hell, Burnham. She's like the opposite extreme of everyone on Voyager. She can never not be personally offended by an order and set out to do things her own way. Why is she in a room with Pike, why didn't he already go to see Dr. Burnham, leaving Michael to pout on her own?

Pike says he better talk fast, after having wasted precious time babying an officer.

Somehow, the suit has infinite storage. You can send the sphere data with it, but you can't delete it. How does the data tell the difference between being transferred to another device and not (in both cases being deleted from the source)? Why is the solution to delete knowledge? And Spock likes science, that's… what was the point of that line?

This would've been a great time to have the emperor killed, by Dr. Burnham who more than anyone should know her character, and had prepared some way of taking her out. Instead, she makes herself a lot less likable, by talking about the emperor as if doing nice things for a few select people negates terrorizing and slaughtering entire species and worlds.

And then the Discovery crew, headed up by Burnham, casually brushes off Section 31 interfering and blocking the feed. As if that's nothing to worry about, because Control wasn't an integral part of Section 31, and they wouldn't have any hidden agendas otherwise.

Why are Discovery working against Dr. Burnham, when Dr. Burnham seems to have had things figured out far more than they have? Is everything they do only about sating Michael Burnham's emotions?

Why can't you beam out the Leland figure, if you have access with beaming? Why can't you beam in bombs, to destroy the storage device, etc.? Why couldn't you put the data on a drive and immediately destroy it in the first place, if the data lets you transfer it that way? Why is the data sitting there unprotected and unwatched, when it's so critical?

This was a horrible episode. Burnham is a nutcase. She's not about sacrificing to save others, she's about doing whatever it takes to get what she wants. Dr. Burnham seems to have that figured out, and knew well enough to keep Michael from being involved. But then she became involved anyway, and almost destroyed all life, because she wanted her mommy. Having the worst human in two galaxies act as her substitute mother wasn't enough for her, nor was having a very decent mother in Amanda. No, what she needs is to sabotage someone who's trying to save all life, so that she can feel even more special.

S02E12 – Through the Valley of Shadows

So what is a time crystal?

Why didn't Control kill Burnham ASAP, instead of wasting time and opportunity on gloating?

S02E13 – Such Sweet Sorrow (1)

At least they realize they have the option of destroying what they can't delete, although I don't know why they can't beam out the relevant sections of the ship that contain the data.

And can't they spore jump to the other side of Federation space, to get some peace and quiet for a while? Or to somewhere with a big fleet of Starfleet starships? Or is Section 31 somehow bigger than Starfleet? In which case, how about visiting New Eden?

Did I miss the explanation for why Admiral Cornwell is on the Enterprise?

Are the viewers supposed the cheer the idea of someone making it illegal to criticize them? Tilly's praising this queen as if being a dictator is an honorable accomplishment.

The clock for the end of everything is running, but let's spend a lot of time on emotional displays and formalities.

S02E14 – Such Sweet Sorrow (2)

Just throw in some random royal Wesley Crusher to magic up a solution, why don't you?

Nhan degrades herself by joining in with the emperor. She might not be aware of who she is, but what she's talking about is bad enough.

Why are they equating Control and Leland?

Bullshit ending. Deleting records, as if that's all there is to it. As if the spore drive becomes unviable for the next several generations and all the civilizations of the galaxy (or all the civilizations of the universe, since it apparently has no range limit), just because you make up a Starfleet regulation about not mentioning it. The Klingons already know about the spore drive, let alone Discovery. Multiple civilizations know about Discovery. And whatever the spore drive knowledge was built on, that still exists in the Federation. You can't ban the discovery of quantum mechanics. And you can't keep a whole lot of scientists unified in a conspiracy of silence, especially not if you don't want to be murdering a whole lot of scientists, which would itself make for a huge story and a piece of history that can't be ignored.

This is prequel failure. This should not have been a series about Spock's foster sister.
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So in summary, the show isn't over yet.

Starting out on the episode comments, I was worried about coming across as too negative. I did like a lot of aspects of the show, and I was waiting to make some more positive comments later. But then the show got worse, and I didn't feel like any episode deserved praise. Even when they did what I'd expect of them, like stand up against immoral acts, it comes off as hollow. Because of how clueless and passive they had been, up to the point where they finally did it.

There's so much torture and other violence, without anyone really acting against it. They go along with it, sometimes with a stated or unstated "the ends justify the means". Then they forget about it. Before acting like they were against it all along. Ultimately, everyone who wasn't killed gets let off the hook, for what they were willingly involved with.

There's so much "tell, don't show". They don't build characters, they don't let them demonstrate who they are. They tell us who they are, as if that's enough. The slow and dragged out emotional scenes aren't something I'm a fan of, in any case. But they're that much worse when they start with nothing. If I don't care about a character, I'm not going to care about them more by having them waste time that could be used to flesh out the plot.

I was hoping to be able to write a more approving summary for season two, which was better in some ways. But that's about as much of a positive comment that I feel like typing out, shortly after having finished all the episodes. This series is, so far, the worst of all the Star Trek series.