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Episode #679
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:32:44 AM »
What's the Word: Etiology
News Items: Quantum Woo, Probing the Sun, Bullet Proof, Spider Ballooning, Hogweed
Who's That Noisy
Your Questions and E-mails: Bio-Degradable Plastics
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2018, 09:09:59 AM »
Michigan's Keweenaw Peninsula, the finger of land sticking into Lake Superior and a former home of mine, regularly gets over 200 inches of "Lake Effect" snow every year. However, it is usually too cool to get "Lake Effect" rain in the summer. Not this summer, when they received over seven inches of rain in spots in a short period, causing flash floods. It was pretty freaky, and of course NOT related to human-caused climate change (cough, cough).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/18/storm-flash-flooding-wipes-out-roads-damages-buildings-michigan-upper-peninsula/709371002/

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2018, 10:28:31 AM »
I now have a grudge against NASA’s Parker Solar Probe for making me burn my grilled cheese sandwich.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 01:52:31 AM »
I used to run a geophysical exploration crew in the western US for a decade or so.  I can remember seeing the temperature posted on the bank, coming back into Vegas, at over 110o F more than once.  I don't think the temperature was much cooler when we left for work at 0500.  I seem to remember seeing 115 on a bank at midnight passing through Yuma.  Glad I never took a job in Saudi or the Pilbara.  Stop wingeing.

Of course all the winter work was in Idaho, Washington, Montana and Oregon.  Go figure. 

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 10:31:05 AM »
Did I hear them say that all that is left of native American dogs are genetic markers? There are still extant landraces/breeds e.g. Greenlandics and qimmics to the north; chihuahuas and Peruvian hairlesses to the south. Apparently, malamutes and huskies are among those that now have little or no native genetics.

One breed that is now extinct, the Hare Indian, interestingly may have been a domesticated coyote.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 10:36:11 AM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others. There's obviously a bit of group think going on and this week was a perfect example. It could also randomize the order in which they present their rationale and the order of the reveal.

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 01:25:03 PM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others. There's obviously a bit of group think going on and this week was a perfect example. It could also randomize the order in which they present their rationale and the order of the reveal.

Steve does vary the order, but not randomly, I think. I enjoy the discussion, including when they get caught up in groupthink. They are often aware of when they are following the herd, but that doesn't always help them.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 01:33:29 PM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others. There's obviously a bit of group think going on and this week was a perfect example. It could also randomize the order in which they present their rationale and the order of the reveal.

Steve does vary the order, but not randomly, I think. I enjoy the discussion, including when they get caught up in groupthink. They are often aware of when they are following the herd, but that doesn't always help them.

Yeah, I like the dynamic as well.  And it's funny when someone inadvertently "volunteers" to go first.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 01:19:35 PM »
Steve does vary the order, but not randomly, I think.

Sure, but it would be nice if they had an app that would do it for him...eliminate any unintentional bias.

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I enjoy the discussion, including when they get caught up in groupthink. They are often aware of when they are following the herd, but that doesn't always help them.

Often is right. So much that they have abbreviated it, usually "GWB". :-)

Again, bias bad. Eliminate it good. Just my opinion, complete with my own bias. ;-)

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 01:20:47 PM »
And it's funny when someone inadvertently "volunteers" to go first.

Mildly amusing, yes. I don't think I would miss it.

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 01:47:47 PM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others.

The segment doesn't really have a clear objective.  It's not exactly a quiz even though they keep score, it's a discussion, and changing your mind after hearing other people's logic is a good thing.  I think whoever goes first should be able to change their answer after the discussion.  Best evaluation and application of critical thinking is the winner.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 02:10:34 PM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others.

The segment doesn't really have a clear objective.  It's not exactly a quiz even though they keep score, it's a discussion, and changing your mind after hearing other people's logic is a good thing.  I think whoever goes first should be able to change their answer after the discussion.  Best evaluation and application of critical thinking is the winner.

It shows that skeptics aren't know-it-alls and are willing to be wrong and change their minds.

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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 06:30:40 PM »
I wish someone (not me) would develop something for Science or Fiction such that the rogues will enter and lock their answers before hearing the others.

The segment doesn't really have a clear objective.  It's not exactly a quiz even though they keep score, it's a discussion, and changing your mind after hearing other people's logic is a good thing.  I think whoever goes first should be able to change their answer after the discussion.  Best evaluation and application of critical thinking is the winner.

Right, but not being able to change your answer also pushes home the message that people can be wrong sometimes and that it's important to acknowledge when you're wrong with good grace. Or at least with mock bad grace.
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Re: Episode #679
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2018, 11:44:20 AM »
Great episode. I especially enjoyed the segment regarding NASA's sun probe. Amazing stuff. When I was in high school, I read Ray Bradbury's "Golden Apples of the Sun," and thought the concept ridiculous. I guess I was wrong.
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Re: Quantum Woo
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2018, 09:59:32 AM »
Regarding the ESP paper from American Psychologist, there is an episode of the podcast Serious Inquiries Only
where the statistical analysis used in the paper is criticized (by Dr. Lindsey Osterman). It is very interesting.

It is episode 150 at https://seriouspod.com

Episode 149 is about the same paper.

 

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