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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #105 on: September 20, 2018, 02:08:37 PM »
I think technically pizza is just a calzone with the top down, or a baked cheesecake.
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #106 on: September 20, 2018, 02:36:12 PM »
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They sure as FUCK knew what it was.
You buy pizza by the slice or by the pie. Simple as that.
In 1897?
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »
Here is a good theory
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/263732/where-does-pizza-pie-originate

It sounds like Americans called it pie because they didn't know what a Pizza was.
And then they were told, and American's being American's couldn't admit they were wrong so said...
"Yeah  yeah, that is what I said - A Pizza pie. you know a pie for short" And yet they were still wrong :)

Just because American's call it a pie doesn't make it so.
Just like a Land Rover is not a Jeep just because everybody on that British-French show "Death in paradise" calls it a Jeep. A Jeep is a Jeep!

I'm from Allentown which had both a strong NY and Philly influence, to me its either a pie or a slice.   Its probably PA Dutch Germans who screwed it up. We have Bott boi (pot pie) which is not a pie at all and is closer to chicken and dumplings from the south with no crust, also Shoo fly Pie which is closer to a treacle tart or cake with a shortening crust. PA Dutch people say everything backwards so I wouldn't be surprised if they (or other German immigrants) started the confusion.

The thing about that article that stands out is that a "Tomato Pie" is a whole other dish that comes from Philly and New Jersey. Its basically a Sicilian pizza without cheese, or in Jersey, sauce on top of cheese. but the dough is different in both and the sauce has a different flavor profile than NY Pie.

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But what is a tomato pie exactly? Certain tomato pies, like the ones popular in Philadelphia bakeries, clearly trace their roots back to Sicily, where thick, rectangular pizzas were topped with chopped tomatoes, anchovies, onions, and oregano — but rarely ever cheese — before sliding into wood-fired ovens.
https://www.eater.com/2016/8/19/12525602/tomato-pie-philadelphia-new-jersey

We haven't really discussed Sicilian style pizza yet, its not my favorite

 In the south they have a tomato pie which has a more traditional shortening crust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_tomato_pie

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2018, 02:59:33 PM »
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2018, 03:36:08 PM »
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They sure as FUCK knew what it was.
You buy pizza by the slice or by the pie. Simple as that.
In 1897?
You sure that they were "sure as FUCK"?

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #110 on: September 20, 2018, 03:37:19 PM »
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D

You just ordered a slice?
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2018, 04:40:19 PM »
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #112 on: September 20, 2018, 05:20:54 PM »
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians.
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #113 on: September 20, 2018, 08:13:41 PM »
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians.

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #114 on: September 20, 2018, 08:22:08 PM »
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D

Yea yea, I'm going to put Italy in my top three places I want to eat at someday. I revere the food and everything about it. I would love to eat at that place. I bet its fantastic. That said I doubt the pizza there even comes close to a NY pie.  >:D

Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians[/s]

New Jersey and the tri state area?

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #115 on: September 21, 2018, 12:16:25 PM »
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians[/s]

New Jersey and the tri state area?

Fuhgettaboutit!

Chicago, but I guess I don't actually know where their roots are from.
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2018, 01:31:05 PM »
Reminds me of the episode on the Sopranos when they go to Naples.  When sitting at the restaurant Paulie wanted to know where was the "Macaroni and Gravy" and the Italians remarked that he had less taste than the Germans.  LOL

I get it though, an Italian Pizza is not the same thing as NY style and everyone will have their own preference.

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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #117 on: September 26, 2018, 11:07:52 PM »
When my kid wants to start up a conversation with someone he doesn't know well, he asks them "Is a hot dog a sandwich?"

Those conversations go on for eight pages too.  ;)
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2018, 12:14:42 AM »
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.


I don't know about the French, but I've spent most of the last three months in the Netherlands, and (1) the Dutch consume massive quantities of French fries (who knew?), and (2) they consume them with massive quantities of mayonnaise. 
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Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
« Reply #119 on: September 27, 2018, 12:52:04 AM »
When my kid wants to start up a conversation with someone he doesn't know well, he asks them "Is a hot dog a sandwich?"

Those conversations go on for eight pages too.  ;)

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