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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2018, 11:44:15 AM »
Also, your source is an article from 1996 in the "Sunday People" tabloid which, as far as I can tell, cites no sources at all.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2018, 12:10:32 PM »
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That is not how blood works and not how water works. When an IV solution is put into the bloodstream the liquid (at least .9% saline, plus lactated ringers or medicine) mixes with the blood plasma instantly and becomes part of it. Plasma is just water with didsooved proteins carrying other chemicals around the body. The blood plasma will just diffuse the solution into itself and then the water in the solution becumrs part if the blood, no more or less "pure" than the blood itself.

Trying to figure out how an unlikely thing happened comes second. First we still need to prove that it even happened, and so far we haven't done that.

Except immunologists have seen this girl and concluded she's allergic to the H2O molecule.

Quoting from one of the articles on this girl -  (this one to be exact https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JUST+ONE+CUP+OF+WATER+COULD+KILL+LITTLE+HEIDI%3B+Girl%27s+deadly+allergy...-a061152595 )

''Heidi recently had an emergency operation to remove her appendix. Surgeons at Shrewsbury Hospital had no experience of her condition. They contacted Birmingham City Hospital, where Heidi is a patient of allergy specialist Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne.

Wendy said: "The surgeons had to think very fast about what they were going to do. They were marvellous."

"I saw specialist after specialist who didn't know what was causing it." Then when Heidi started school, the doctor there was convinced - like Wendy and Dave - that Heidi's problem was water.

"That is how we eventually got the diagnosis when she was five," said Wendy.

I searched Dr Dinakantha Kumaratne, and I can confirm he's a real immunologist.
https://www.swbh.nhs.uk/services/immunology-and-allergy/ is the immunology department for Birmingham City Hospital.  Name doesn't appear.

This was in 1996. Check the publication date of the article.

It's possible he traveled to the clinic to research this girl.

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2018, 12:20:09 PM »
Yes, I noted that it's an article from 1996.  In an uncited tabloid with little to no specifics.  That's plenty of time for this super doctor to have written something in the journals for this ground breaking affliction.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2018, 01:13:06 PM »
Yes, I noted that it's an article from 1996.  In an uncited tabloid with little to no specifics.  That's plenty of time for this super doctor to have written something in the journals for this ground breaking affliction.

Good point, I did try searching National Biomed site as well but couldn't find anything on 'water allergy'. I found some stuff about bring allergic to additives in the water but not the H2O molecule like this woman's claiming

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2018, 06:22:34 PM »
So why do you think the whole ''I'm SO allergic to the H2O molecule that if I take a sip of water I die'' thing has blown up in recent years? I swear every week I see a new 'case' in the headlines of someone claiming they're allergic to the water molecule and die if they drink a sip of water even so they have to survive by drinking only [insert substitute here]

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2018, 08:13:18 PM »
So why do you think the whole ''I'm SO allergic to the H2O molecule that if I take a sip of water I die'' thing has blown up in recent years? I swear every week I see a new 'case' in the headlines of someone claiming they're allergic to the water molecule and die if they drink a sip of water even so they have to survive by drinking only [insert substitute here]
The problem is whatever that substitute is...it's mostly water.  Otherwise they wouldn't be drinking it.  Hell, most whiskey is over half water.  I mean, I have some cask strength bourbon that's 120 proof which makes it closer to 40% water.  Still, that's a lot of water.  If someone with a allergy to peanuts has to have separate equipment that's never even touched a peanut, I would think that 40% peanut would kill them dead.  The reaction has little to nothing to do with purity, the molecule itself reacts to the immune system, it doesn't matter what you mix it up in.  Someone allergic to eggs can't eat Mayonnaise (unless it is vegan and prepared without eggs).


I actually haven't seen the allergic to water claim all that often.  But recently I've seen an uptick in people who claim they live off of nothing but air or sunshine.  They can claim their butt is a jetpack, but until I see them fly...
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2018, 06:02:42 AM »
So why do you think the whole ''I'm SO allergic to the H2O molecule that if I take a sip of water I die'' thing has blown up in recent years? I swear every week I see a new 'case' in the headlines of someone claiming they're allergic to the water molecule and die if they drink a sip of water even so they have to survive by drinking only [insert substitute here]
The problem is whatever that substitute is...it's mostly water.  Otherwise they wouldn't be drinking it.  Hell, most whiskey is over half water.  I mean, I have some cask strength bourbon that's 120 proof which makes it closer to 40% water.  Still, that's a lot of water.  If someone with a allergy to peanuts has to have separate equipment that's never even touched a peanut, I would think that 40% peanut would kill them dead.  The reaction has little to nothing to do with purity, the molecule itself reacts to the immune system, it doesn't matter what you mix it up in.  Someone allergic to eggs can't eat Mayonnaise (unless it is vegan and prepared without eggs).


I actually haven't seen the allergic to water claim all that often.  But recently I've seen an uptick in people who claim they live off of nothing but air or sunshine.  They can claim their butt is a jetpack, but until I see them fly...

She implies she still has a reaction to orange juice/milk, because she says she only drinks 4 150 ml glasses of milk or orange juice/milk and orange juice mixed together (ew) a day. That works out to about 500 ml worth of water a day.

She says she cannot eat ice cream, have ice lollies, and she lives on dry foods for example biscuits and cereal without the milk.

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2018, 07:53:03 AM »
I think Orange Juice contains more water than Ice Cream
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2018, 07:55:26 AM »
Also, I have a great uncle that's convinced that he was healed from a flu by the touch of Jesus.  You can't possibly talk him out of it.  It wasn't the anti-virals the doctors gave him, or his own immune system...it was Jesus.




What I'm saying is, I really don't care what this woman says as it pertains to the actual science behind her symptoms.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2018, 08:12:34 AM »
Also, I have a great uncle that's convinced that he was healed from a flu by the touch of Jesus.  You can't possibly talk him out of it.  It wasn't the anti-virals the doctors gave him, or his own immune system...it was Jesus.




What I'm saying is, I really don't care what this woman says as it pertains to the actual science behind her symptoms.

Then what's causing her symptoms? Or are you implying she and her family have been lying since she was five/eight?

In the recent article she says she's trying to publish a book about her life called ''Its Only Water''. She's 31 or 32 now so it seems like very high effort if this woman's been trolling us all along.

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2018, 08:36:11 AM »
I don't think my uncle is lying about Jesus healing him.  I also don't think people who believe in Alien Abductions are lying.  I don't even think my old friend from High School who's now a Reiki healer is lying.


Doesn't mean I believe in Reiki healing, alien abductions, or jesus.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2018, 08:38:13 AM »
I don't think my uncle is lying about Jesus healing him.  I also don't think people who believe in Alien Abductions are lying.  I don't even think my old friend from High School who's now a Reiki healer is lying.


Doesn't mean I believe in Reiki healing, alien abductions, or jesus.

Then what's causing her symptoms? The doctors also diagnosed her as being allergic to H2O when she was five. Why?

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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2018, 09:48:46 AM »
I don't think my uncle is lying about Jesus healing him.  I also don't think people who believe in Alien Abductions are lying.  I don't even think my old friend from High School who's now a Reiki healer is lying.


Doesn't mean I believe in Reiki healing, alien abductions, or jesus.

Then what's causing her symptoms? The doctors also diagnosed her as being allergic to H2O when she was five. Why?
Then who's healing all those people in southern Alabama that go visit Jennifer?


What am I, her doctor? 




Speaking of which, do you have any evidence that an actual doctor diagnosed her as being allergic to H2O?  Outside of a tabloid article from 1996?  Aquagenic urticaria is the closest thing that exists to that in the DSM...and it's not an allergy to H2O.


There are tons of doctors here in the U.S. that diagnose people with all kinds of bullshit to give them an oxy prescription.  There's an entire industry here called Pill Mills.  There's also iridologists who will stare into your eyes and diagnose you with bunions or some such shit.  There are people here with doctorates in homeopaty. 


I don't know what a doctor told her family 30ish years ago, and I honestly don't give a shit.  The facts on the ground are that nobody in the history of the planet has been verified as being allergic to H2O.  Your body is 70% H2O...do the math.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2018, 10:39:30 AM »
She could be lying. She could be mistaken. She could be suffering from mental illness. She could be suffering psychosomatic symptoms. She could be suffering from other reactions, such as malnutrition or any number of other diseases. the tabloids could be lying (since that's the only reference for her case thus far). All of these are more likely than the story she gives.
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Re: Is the water molecule really an allergen?
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2018, 11:51:30 AM »
She could be lying. She could be mistaken. She could be suffering from mental illness. She could be suffering psychosomatic symptoms. She could be suffering from other reactions, such as malnutrition or any number of other diseases. the tabloids could be lying (since that's the only reference for her case thus far). All of these are more likely than the story she gives.

Why is that? A lot of people say it's possible to be allergic to anything

 

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