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Offline lucek

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Where is the line on homophobia
« on: October 03, 2018, 10:54:15 PM »
A coworker today stated he wouldn't listen to a band he thought of as being gay (having one or more homosexual members), would not sleep in the same house as a gay man (even by himself in a locked room) and that homosexuality was just wrong. He then claimed he's not homophobic because his uncle is gay and he knows 2 lesbians also he doesn't beatup homosexuals in the street.

I simply didn't know what to say to that.

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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2018, 01:13:35 AM »
I consider the line anywhere beyond the acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual people.

Your coworker iw definitely a raging homophobe. The "I have gay friends" excuse just confirms this.

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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2018, 03:52:48 AM »
I would say it's at calling it "just wrong". It might be a phobia still, but you should be free to decide who to live with, while it's not your business to declare that what other people do with consent is wrong. That's where you using your phobia to interfere in their freedoms start.

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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2018, 07:05:28 AM »
Homophobia is about the feelings, not the discrimination.

If you are expressing to the world that you will technically abide by the rights of a group but that you dont like them, that is contributing to an atmosphere of otherness and discomfort for that group.
If you have any of those feelings about gay people then you are homophobic. End of story. The line is way further back than this guy even began but discrimination and active denial of rights are another separate issue that of course would warrant action.
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2018, 10:06:28 AM »
I consider the line anywhere beyond the acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual people.

Your coworker iw definitely a raging homophobe. The "I have gay friends" excuse just confirms this.

he didn't even say "friends"
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2018, 10:24:16 AM »
That guy is a homophobe for sure, and I don't like that.

That made me think of something.  Can a homophobe like that just change his mind?  People's beliefs are a culmination of their lives so far, and as far as I know, it's pretty hard to change a belief by just choosing to believe something else.  What line would he have to cross to realize that his belief is wrong?

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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2018, 08:31:20 PM »
I would say it's at calling it "just wrong". It might be a phobia still, but you should be free to decide who to live with, while it's not your business to declare that what other people do with consent is wrong. That's where you using your phobia to interfere in their freedoms start.

The word "homophobia" does not strictly speaking refer to a phobia as such, despite its etymology. It's not a fear of homosexual people. Homophobia is defined as discrimination against homosexual people. The word is one of those that has had usage progress past the source meanings of its linguistic components.
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 10:27:54 AM »
I would say it's at calling it "just wrong". It might be a phobia still, but you should be free to decide who to live with, while it's not your business to declare that what other people do with consent is wrong. That's where you using your phobia to interfere in their freedoms start.

The word "homophobia" does not strictly speaking refer to a phobia as such, despite its etymology. It's not a fear of homosexual people. Homophobia is defined as discrimination against homosexual people. The word is one of those that has had usage progress past the source meanings of its linguistic components.

Discrimination is not the definition of homophobia, it’s a manifestation or a result.

Phobia is a perfectly accurate suffix for anti-gay sentiment. There are many aspects of fear (fear your children or family will become gay; fear that yourself will become gay; fear that some god will be displeased). 

Those fears are exploited to stir up anti gay sentiments not just here but especially in places like Uganda an some Middle East countries.




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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2018, 04:29:03 PM »
 Where does the line to any phobia start? It starts with the fear being irrational to begin with doesn't it?
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 09:31:22 PM »
the line is exactly where your feet end.  there's no level of acceptable homophobia or any prejudice.
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2018, 02:42:00 PM »
As long as you don't know do anything about it and don't talk to me about it, I don't give a shit how homophobic you are.  Stay at home and yell profanities at your TV for all I care.  Don't call people names, attack them, or pass laws that criminalize behavior that doesn't harm anyone and I don't care what you think.  I wouldn't hang out with you except at work and if I knew you were a homophobe at work, you'd likely get fired. 
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2018, 03:09:44 PM »
I consider the line anywhere beyond the acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual people.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The guy won't sleep in the same house as a gay man??? What, does he think it's a contagious disease? Does he think the gay man is going to kick down his door and rape him?

I think Carb Shark makes a good point: Anti-gay bigots do seem to be terrified of gayness, as expressed by the man in question who wouldn't sleep in the same house as a gay man.

A person who finds the idea of gay sex distasteful is not necessarily a homophobe. But a person who would treat a gay person any differently than a straight person is definitely a homophobe. And a person who would deny rights to someone based on their gender or sexual identity or preference is a raging bigot.

The OP's coworker is a raging bigot.
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 09:22:26 PM »
The guy won't sleep in the same house as a gay man??? What, does he think it's a contagious disease? Does he think the gay man is going to kick down his door and rape him?

Send him something gay as an anonymous gift?

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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2018, 07:42:15 AM »
As long as you don't know do anything about it and don't talk to me about it, I don't give a shit how homophobic you are.  Stay at home and yell profanities at your TV for all I care.  Don't call people names, attack them, or pass laws that criminalize behavior that doesn't harm anyone and I don't care what you think.  I wouldn't hang out with you except at work and if I knew you were a homophobe at work, you'd likely get fired.
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Re: Where is the line on homophobia
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2018, 11:17:56 PM »
I'd laugh in somebody's face if they came at me with some nonsense like that.

"Are you so insecure about your sexuality that you think another man is going to turn you gay, just by sleeping under the same roof?"

It's ridiculous. 

 

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