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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2019, 10:24:32 AM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.


Hmmm...   I would say that it is illogical to conflate fact and opinion.
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2019, 11:14:11 AM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.


Truth? That’s a slippery thing. One persons  truth  is another’s lies.

Do you think one can find the truth by looking at everything from the same perspective ?



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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2019, 11:27:53 AM »
I figured his answer was a non-sequiter.  I'm not reading books for "The Truth©"
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2019, 11:21:44 AM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.


Truth? That’s a slippery thing. One persons  truth  is another’s lies.

That‘s false by definition.

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Do you think one can find the truth by looking at everything from the same perspective ?

I didn’t say „perspectives“; I said „identities.“



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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2019, 02:28:46 PM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.



Truth? That’s a slippery thing. One persons  truth  is another’s lies.

That‘s false by definition.

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Do you think one can find the truth by looking at everything from the same perspective ?

I didn’t say „perspectives“; I said „identities.“

Yes, that was your answer to a question about perspectives.

Doesn't a person's identity provide their perspective?

Is there a meaningful difference in the context of this question?

Or is this you invitation to another faux-pedantic rat hole?
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2019, 02:43:08 PM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.



Truth? That’s a slippery thing. One persons  truth  is another’s lies.

That‘s false by definition.

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Do you think one can find the truth by looking at everything from the same perspective ?

I didn’t say „perspectives“; I said „identities.“

Yes, that was your answer to a question about perspectives.

Doesn't a person's identity provide their perspective?

Is there a meaningful difference in the context of this question?

Or is this you invitation to another faux-pedantic rat hole?

I think „identities“ cloud perspective.  I avoid people who have them.


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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2019, 02:56:45 PM »
So you think people that aren't like you don't have a different perspective, or do you just think they aren't valid?

I think that the truth does not care about one‘s „identity“.



Truth? That’s a slippery thing. One persons  truth  is another’s lies.

That‘s false by definition.

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Do you think one can find the truth by looking at everything from the same perspective ?

I didn’t say „perspectives“; I said „identities.“

Yes, that was your answer to a question about perspectives.

Doesn't a person's identity provide their perspective?

Is there a meaningful difference in the context of this question?

Or is this you invitation to another faux-pedantic rat hole?

I think „identities“ cloud perspective.  I avoid people who have them.

Well, that answered my question.
and Donald Trump is President of the United States.

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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2019, 03:22:04 PM »
I can be a voracious reader.

I recently had a period of enforced idleness with access to a library that allowed 4 books at a time.  I would rotate through a science fiction, action/spy, fantasy and mystery, usually working through a series in each.

After a little while, I decided to add a literary classic to the mix.

Among the high- and low-lights...
 
An annotated Dante's Inferno was amazing.
Jane Eyre and Little Women was okay.
Dr. Zhivago was pretty good, too.

Moby Dick was atrocious.
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2019, 03:42:15 PM »

I think „identities“ cloud perspective.  I avoid people who have them.


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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2019, 03:44:33 PM »

I think „identities“ cloud perspective.  I avoid people who have them.


I never knew you were a victim of identity theft.

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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2019, 06:36:48 PM »
Moby Dick was atrocious.

I don't get the love for that book. It is a total snooze-fest.

For American 19th century classics, give me some Edgar Allan Poe or Mark Twain anytime over that book

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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2019, 09:51:29 AM »
Moby Dick was atrocious.

I don't get the love for that book. It is a total snooze-fest.

For American 19th century classics, give me some Edgar Allan Poe or Mark Twain anytime over that book

I totally love Moby Dick. The writing is brilliant and the story had me engrossed from beginning to end. The descriptions of life on a whaling boat are fascinating, even though I abhor the unimaginable barbarity of the activity they were engaged in.

With any work of fiction, there is a story, which can be dull, or can be fascinating, or anywhere in between. There is the skill with which the story is told, which likewise can range from dull to enthralling. And there is the language used to tell it, which can be mundane or poetic, or, yes, anywhere in between. The best works of fiction have an entertaining and/or interesting and/or useful/educational story, told in an engrossing manner in beautiful language. Moby Dick, in my opinion, has all three.

Poe, on the other hand is utterly vapid. Mark Twain is brilliant. Everyone has their own taste in books, apparently.
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2019, 10:31:21 AM »
Moby Dick was atrocious.

I don't get the love for that book. It is a total snooze-fest.

For American 19th century classics, give me some Edgar Allan Poe or Mark Twain anytime over that book

I totally love Moby Dick. The writing is brilliant and the story had me engrossed from beginning to end. The descriptions of life on a whaling boat are fascinating, even though I abhor the unimaginable barbarity of the activity they were engaged in.

With any work of fiction, there is a story, which can be dull, or can be fascinating, or anywhere in between. There is the skill with which the story is told, which likewise can range from dull to enthralling. And there is the language used to tell it, which can be mundane or poetic, or, yes, anywhere in between. The best works of fiction have an entertaining and/or interesting and/or useful/educational story, told in an engrossing manner in beautiful language. Moby Dick, in my opinion, has all three.

Poe, on the other hand is utterly vapid. Mark Twain is brilliant. Everyone has their own taste in books, apparently.
My recollection is that the ratio of story (the plot, the characters, the thoughts and motivations) to data-dump was rather low.  Your mileage may vary.

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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2019, 03:15:47 PM »
Moby Dick was atrocious.

I don't get the love for that book. It is a total snooze-fest.

For American 19th century classics, give me some Edgar Allan Poe or Mark Twain anytime over that book

I totally love Moby Dick. The writing is brilliant and the story had me engrossed from beginning to end. The descriptions of life on a whaling boat are fascinating, even though I abhor the unimaginable barbarity of the activity they were engaged in.

With any work of fiction, there is a story, which can be dull, or can be fascinating, or anywhere in between. There is the skill with which the story is told, which likewise can range from dull to enthralling. And there is the language used to tell it, which can be mundane or poetic, or, yes, anywhere in between. The best works of fiction have an entertaining and/or interesting and/or useful/educational story, told in an engrossing manner in beautiful language. Moby Dick, in my opinion, has all three.

Poe, on the other hand is utterly vapid. Mark Twain is brilliant. Everyone has their own taste in books, apparently.
My recollection is that the ratio of story (the plot, the characters, the thoughts and motivations) to data-dump was rather low.  Your mileage may vary.

My recollection is that roughly a third of the chapters were descriptions of how a whaling boat functions. I found that stuff fascinating. Someone who is not interested in that would certainly find the book dull. There's also a lot more in the book than just the story of Ahab and the whale. But it's been too long since I last read it. I've just downloaded it back onto my Kindle for when I finish the book I'm reading now.
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Re: Reading habits and diversity
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2019, 04:01:53 PM »
Looks like the topic has strayed from the diversity part of "reading habits and diversity".