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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct
« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2019, 03:10:52 PM »
'Personal experience' lends itself to self-report in much the same way that 'observed natural phenomena' does not.

edit: My answer feels incomplete.

Less Jokey Phrasing: Self-report is tacitly accepted for personal experience whereas it is not for observed phenomena.

Not sure how to unpack that further.

You're right in a way. How about self-reporting in instances of herbal drug or homeopathic remedy usage and their benefits, for example. We completely discount such claims everyday. However, self-reporting in cases like this inherently garners more credibility. Why?

Edit: I realize statistically one is far less likely to falsely report sexual assault than to tell the truth, it seems. I do wonder in the recent acceptability, support, empathy, publicity and consequence of accusations of this sort, has the percentage of false reporting grown? The occurrence of false reporting sexual assault is far from 0%, though, too. Moreover, many accusations as of late in the media and elsewhere seem to be of sexual harassment. Do we have any idea how accurate reports of that are?
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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct
« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2019, 08:16:37 PM »
There is not a defined physical mechanism for homeopathy to even work.  There is most certainly is a mechanism for sexual harassment to occur. 

In addition, Homeopathy has never been shown to work in observation.  Sexual harassment has been observed countless times.

The two things are in no way on equal footing, and I question the morality of someone who sets their priors on the likelihood of harassment occurring at the same level as homeopathy being real.

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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct
« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2019, 04:48:39 AM »
I've been reading through this topic as well as others related to the topic of sexual assault more generally (or misconduct, what have you) more . I get and agree now with why these accusations are taken so seriously. Very thankful to you guys, really. :)  I know this thread's about Neil, but having recently come across the deal with Evan and groping... why has nothing ever been made of this more significantly than some obscure forum posts here? That seems like a really big deal in my mind. What he's accused of and the total lack of any acknowledgement at all from any of the rogues. Cara might be in the dark on this one. Pretty disturbing nonetheless.
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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct
« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2019, 09:48:22 AM »
It seems like NDT was making a big deal about the supposed lack of innovation by islamic mathematicians during a specific period?
This is a talking point often seen from people who have an axe to grind with muslim people and their culture.

Perhaps I am reading you wrong here, but if this is true, should it not be stated because some people with questionable motives also make those points?

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Re: Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct
« Reply #109 on: January 07, 2019, 06:34:38 PM »
It seems like NDT was making a big deal about the supposed lack of innovation by islamic mathematicians during a specific period?

As I recall it, Neil deGrasse Tyson praised the mathematical and astronomical achievements of the early Islamic world. Then he contrasted that progress against the scientific illiteracy that came into fashion after a fundamentalist imam rose to prominence and declared most secular concerns to be haram.

 

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