Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Under Investigation for Sexual Misconduct

[Bill K]

'Personal experience' lends itself to self-report in much the same way that 'observed natural phenomena' does not.

edit: My answer feels incomplete.

Less Jokey Phrasing: Self-report is tacitly accepted for personal experience whereas it is not for observed phenomena.

Not sure how to unpack that further.

You're right in a way. How about self-reporting in instances of herbal drug or homeopathic remedy usage and their benefits, for example. We completely discount such claims everyday. However, self-reporting in cases like this inherently garners more credibility. Why?

Edit: I realize statistically one is far less likely to falsely report sexual assault than to tell the truth, it seems. I do wonder in the recent acceptability, support, empathy, publicity and consequence of accusations of this sort, has the percentage of false reporting grown? The occurrence of false reporting sexual assault is far from 0%, though, too. Moreover, many accusations as of late in the media and elsewhere seem to be of sexual harassment. Do we have any idea how accurate reports of that are?

[PANTS!]

There is not a defined physical mechanism for homeopathy to even work.  There is most certainly is a mechanism for sexual harassment to occur. 

In addition, Homeopathy has never been shown to work in observation.  Sexual harassment has been observed countless times.

The two things are in no way on equal footing, and I question the morality of someone who sets their priors on the likelihood of harassment occurring at the same level as homeopathy being real.

Why do people throw baynseian mechanics out the window when it comes to people having rights?

[Bill K]

I've been reading through this topic as well as others related to the topic of sexual assault more generally (or misconduct, what have you) more . I get and agree now with why these accusations are taken so seriously. Very thankful to you guys, really.   I know this thread's about Neil, but having recently come across the deal with Evan and groping... why has nothing ever been made of this more significantly than some obscure forum posts here? That seems like a really big deal in my mind. What he's accused of and the total lack of any acknowledgement at all from any of the rogues. Cara might be in the dark on this one. Pretty disturbing nonetheless.

[Quetzalcoatl]

It seems like NDT was making a big deal about the supposed lack of innovation by islamic mathematicians during a specific period?
This is a talking point often seen from people who have an axe to grind with muslim people and their culture.

Perhaps I am reading you wrong here, but if this is true, should it not be stated because some people with questionable motives also make those points?

[John Albert]

It seems like NDT was making a big deal about the supposed lack of innovation by islamic mathematicians during a specific period?

As I recall it, Neil deGrasse Tyson praised the mathematical and astronomical achievements of the early Islamic world. Then he contrasted that progress against the scientific illiteracy that came into fashion after a fundamentalist imam rose to prominence and declared most secular concerns to be haram.

[haudace]

Is this dead?

[Bill K]

I don't believe the investigations have disclosed any findings yet. So, no, I don't think the investigation is dead, just that no updates have been given.

[Paul Blevins Jr.]

The second season of Cosmos was originally scheduled to begin this past Sunday. It got quietly pulled and no new date has been reported. I wonder if it's related to the allegations (probably). I wonder how feasible it would to replace/edit out Tyson in the worst case scenario?

[Bill K]

The second season of Cosmos was originally scheduled to begin this past Sunday. It got quietly pulled and no new date has been reported. I wonder if it's related to the allegations (probably). I wonder how feasible it would to replace/edit out Tyson in the worst case scenario?

Steven Novella can fill those shoes! Probably want an astrophysicist, though...

[CarbShark]

The second season of Cosmos was originally scheduled to begin this past Sunday. It got quietly pulled and no new date has been reported. I wonder if it's related to the allegations (probably).

‘Comos’ Season 2 to Miss March Premiere Date – Variety



'Cosmos' Bumped on Fox as Neil deGrasse Tyson Investigation Continues | Hollywood Reporter

“The credo at the heart of ‘Cosmos’ is to follow the evidence wherever it leads,” the producers said in a joint statement in November. “The producers of ‘Cosmos’ can do no less in this situation. We are committed to a thorough investigation of this matter and to act accordingly as soon as it is concluded.”

 

I wonder how feasible it would to replace/edit out Tyson in the worst case scenario?

The narration would be easy. The standups would have to be reshot with someone else. Definitely feasible. But people are probably tuning in to see Tyson, can't think of any scientist as prominent with as much name recognition. Not even close.

[Billzbub]

Cara doesn't have as much name recognition, but people would tune in if she hosted.  I think she'd be a great fit.

[lucek]

Just a quick thought. Fox more than likely would shelf the show either if the inquiry came out negative positive or has not come out at all. They don't want to be part of a shitshow and I can not blame them.

I really hope the results of the inquiry are made public. People burying unwanted info is how we got in this sad state of affairs.

[CarbShark]

This decision would completely up to National Geographic and the program’s production company. Not Fox


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[The Latinist]

This decision would completely up to National Geographic and the program’s production company. Not Fox

The show was produced for Fox, which owns the broadcast rights to it. But even if National Geographic did have any say in it, until the sale of 21st Century Fox to Disney is completed, Fox still owns a controlling interest in the National Geographic Channel. That's why they got to air reruns of the 2014 series.

[CarbShark]

This decision would completely up to National Geographic and the program’s production company. Not Fox

The show was produced for Fox, which owns the broadcast rights to it. But even if National Geographic did have any say in it, until the sale of 21st Century Fox to Disney is completed, Fox still owns a controlling interest in the National Geographic Channel. That's why they got to air reruns of the 2014 series.

You're right.

I was confusing Cosmos with Star Talk.